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Old 05-05-2007, 12:11 PM
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A "reading" of the bill is SOP for every legislative body -- some require 3 readings - at introduction, at the report of the committee that studied it, and just before the final voting - but nowadays with copiers and high speed printing and such, it is sufficient - even better - that every member has a printed copy, and the oral reading is skipped (in some bodies, the clerk must read at least the title of the bill, and then the rest is skipped).

In any legislature, the actual start-to-finish reading of some of this legislation, such as appropriations and other big bills, would prevent virtually any business.

OK so you are saying that instead of amending the constituion to reflect current times... instead the legislature ignors it and does what is most convinient? I cannot buy that as lawful without some real proof that the practice is indeed lawful.
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Old 05-05-2007, 01:54 PM
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So? Does that need to anger you?

ANyway nice to here from you again freefrom.

I would call it disgust rather than anger.

Anger is having your hard drive crash and finding out your backup is corrupt (like I found out a few weeks ago).
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Old 05-05-2007, 03:52 PM
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I would call it disgust rather than anger.

Anger is having your hard drive crash and finding out your backup is corrupt (like I found out a few weeks ago).

OK... Just want to make sure were all keeping our minds.
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Old 05-05-2007, 06:52 PM
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What a bunch of double-talk bullcrap. In the first paragraph you state it's SOP and then in the second you say actual start-to-finish reading would prevent virtually any business. So does it happen or doesn't it?

No, the actual reading start-to-finish doesn't happen anymore (at least not for the last 60+ years), but a "reading" is called for in the assembly's rules or the law providing for the assembly's actions. However, the requirement of a "reading" is satisfied if copies are available to be read individually and the majority of members are willing to dispense with the oral reading from the Chair.

And yes a lot of bills, especially appropriations have last minute changes. Each year the first copy available of the big Congressional budget bill is a photocopy of something marked up with handwritten additions, typescript pages, and the like. The whole thing isn't set into type until after passage, sometimes by weeks and sometimes requiring page numbers with hyphenated or decimal numbers. Do you think a reading aloud would be effective? The whole bill would take more than an hour to read, and who would sit around listening attentively.
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