03-16-2006, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by scottinalaska
Hmmm, let's see:
NOTICE OF PRIVATIZATION OF PROPERTY
Dear Alaska DMV,
I am no longer in commerce or using the below identified motor vehicle in commerce. Please remove the VIN from your State database as it is now a private car used only for private affairs. If you have need of anything further than this affidavit from me, I will be happy to provide that at your request.
It has been a pleasure doing business with the State of Alaska these past 5 years, but all good things must come to an end. Thank you for acknowleding the privatization of my 1985 Toyota Pickup VIN 1234X567C89YK.
If this notice has reached you and it should be directed to another person, please forward it on appropriately. I will pay any further postage that might be required to address this notice.
Sincerely yours,
Scottinalaska, all rights reserved.
In the absence of a response, this notarized letter will serve as notice that indeed my truck is now a private car not for hire or under State jurisdiction.
HOW'S THAT?
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Scott, that looks good, but i'm thinking that an unrebuttable affidavit would be better with proper defaulting for non-response.
Example:
1. The truth is that I am not a corporation;
2. the truth is that I am not an agent for any corporation;
3. the truth is that I have a plenary birth-right to own property of every kind;
4. the truth is that I have acquired a horseless-carriage for my private use;
5. the manufacturer's identification number of the car. is <insert VIN here>;
6. the truth is that I have removed the car. from commercial service and activity;
etc, etc, etc, ...
How's that?
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Last edited by idknow : 03-16-2006 at 01:41 AM.
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03-16-2006, 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by scottinalaska
Hmmm, let's see:
NOTICE OF PRIVATIZATION OF PROPERTY
Dear Alaska DMV,
I am no longer in commerce or using the below identified motor vehicle in commerce. Please remove the VIN from your State database as it is now a private car used only for private affairs. If you have need of anything further than this affidavit from me, I will be happy to provide that at your request.
It has been a pleasure doing business with the State of Alaska these past 5 years, but all good things must come to an end. Thank you for acknowleding the privatization of my 1985 Toyota Pickup VIN 1234X567C89YK.
If this notice has reached you and it should be directed to another person, please forward it on appropriately. I will pay any further postage that might be required to address this notice.
Sincerely yours,
Scottinalaska, all rights reserved.
In the absence of a response, this notarized letter will serve as notice that indeed my truck is now a private car not for hire or under State jurisdiction.
HOW'S THAT?
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Scott, that looks good, but i'm thinking that an unrebuttable affidavit would be better with proper defaulting for non-response.
Example:
1. The truth is that I am not a corporation;
2. the truth is that I am not an agent for any corporation;
3. the truth is that I have a plenary birth-right to own property of every kind;
4. the truth is that I have acquired a horseless-carriage for my private use;
5. the manufacturer's identification number of the car. is <insert VIN here>;
6. the truth is that I have removed the car. from commercial service and activity;
etc, etc, etc, ...
How's that?
the Sovereign acting in his own Private birth-right needs no permission or license to do anything short of hurting another or damaging property, excluding for trespass.
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03-16-2006, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mystic one
ok, that was a very concise and coherent explanation.
However, Until i have everything "cancelled" and completely privatized, in the meantime, it is "registered" and the property of the state. Ok, all that makes since to me.. IN the meantime, If i am pulled over, can i still "refuse to contract" despite my current registration.. Can you still win and say, not in commerce, i refuse to provide you a dl officer, heres an id... Or will they tow it because of the plate/registration.. What statues state that a registered car requires "a operaters licensce".. I hope this further clarified my question.
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Click on Kitchie's nick and read here posts regarding travelling, car things and encounters with "police"
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03-16-2006, 07:55 AM
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03-18-2006, 05:24 PM
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Your AUTOMOBILE IS NOT REGISTERED UNTIL YOU APPLY FOR REGISTRATION AT DMV.
If your auto is already registered, send the plates back telling them your automobile is strictly for private use and is not for hire. Then make a plate to attach to your auto that says not for hire.
If anybody (cops) says anything ask them to show you the law that allows them to regulate noncommercial rights- of - way.
YOU DO NOT OWN A MOTOR VEHICLE!!!!!!!
YOU OWN AN AUTOMOBILE!!!!
When you got to buy a car your go to an AUTOMOBILE DEALER you do not go to a MOTOR VEHICLE DEALER
When you register it becomes a motor vehicle.
I still have my DL mainly because I can only afford to take on so many battles at once. However I only take my DL with me when I have to cash a check.
Oh and don't bother citing case law with the cop on the street. Just agree that you must have DL and Registration when you are using the highways for capital gain, however when I take care of my private business I don't need those things.
If anybody calls you a constitutionalist, just tell them you are the one who took the oath. If they ask if you pay taxes, ya just blast them with EVERY TIME I BUY GAS I PAY TAXES!
If they try to tell you, "you are in commerce when you are going to work", ask them "Would I be in commerce if I was walking? Would I be in commerce if I took the bus?
It's all the same you are taking care of your private business which is getting to work. Where along the way did you make any money using the highway driving to work?
Keep those thngs in your head all the time. Don't make it any harder than what I just explained. It really is pretty simple, you are either making money using the roads or you taking care of your personal business.
Kitchie
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03-18-2006, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
Your AUTOMOBILE IS NOT REGISTERED UNTIL YOU APPLY FOR REGISTRATION AT DMV.
If your auto is already registered, send the plates back telling them your automobile is strictly for private use and is not for hire. Then make a plate to attach to your auto that says not for hire.
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OK, this silliness has gone on long enough. This crap has landed more vehicles in impound and put more people on their feet or in jail than it deserves.
Shame on people for promoting something that is utterly bogus. Do you like having an arrest record? Is that some kind of badge of supidity that you need more people to wear? Do you like paying the impound fee? Is losing your job because you can't get to work worth it?
Get a grip people. There may be others depending on you. Dragging them into the grinder of judgments, warrants and the expenses involved is dangerous, and relying on legal looney-toons stuff from the Internet is going to make you look really stupid when reality crashes in.
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
If anybody (cops) says anything ask them to show you the law that allows them to regulate noncommercial rights- of - way.
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There is nothing that requires an officer to show you the law, let alone the lunacy of some "commercial" theory that sends you into legal lallaland with the other loonies.
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
YOU DO NOT OWN A MOTOR VEHICLE!!!!!!!
YOU OWN AN AUTOMOBILE!!!!
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And it doesn't matter what you call it. They can, and will still impound it. Hope you have alternate means to get around.
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
When you got to buy a car your go to an AUTOMOBILE DEALER you do not go to a MOTOR VEHICLE DEALER
When you register it becomes a motor vehicle.
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Only in your dreams. Parsing words with a Judge will only make it worse. It's as if Kitchie thinks this stuff hasn't been seen or heard of before.
Clue: Courts don't operate in little tiny vacuums, insulated from communication and news. This crap has been heard and handled before. It's a loser.
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
I still have my DL mainly because I can only afford to take on so many battles at once. However I only take my DL with me when I have to cash a check.
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The "...can only afford to take on so many battles at once..." statement should warn everyone. There is a cost to this nonsense. Depending on how far you push it, the more it will cost you.
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
Oh and don't bother citing case law with the cop on the street. Just agree that you must have DL and Registration when you are using the highways for capital gain, however when I take care of my private business I don't need those things.
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You must like wasting your time in custody. It doesn't matter why you're there when the infraction took place or you got pulled over for not having a valid license plate. You're there. You got pulled over.
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
If anybody calls you a constitutionalist, just tell them you are the one who took the oath. If they ask if you pay taxes, ya just blast them with EVERY TIME I BUY GAS I PAY TAXES!
If they try to tell you, "you are in commerce when you are going to work", ask them "Would I be in commerce if I was walking? Would I be in commerce if I took the bus?
It's all the same you are taking care of your private business which is getting to work. Where along the way did you make any money using the highway driving to work?
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And no one gives a rat's patoot what you were doing or why you were there because the whole "in commerce" thing is meaningless.
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Originally Posted by KITCHIE
Keep those thngs in your head all the time. Don't make it any harder than what I just explained. It really is pretty simple, you are either making money using the roads or you taking care of your personal business.
Kitchie
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Sure, keep those things in your head all the time. Enjoy making a fool of yourself and paying fines and penalties you'd never have to worry about if you didn't listen to this kind of drivel. Then come to internet forums and complain about why the court shut down your arguments and fined you even more than you ever would have had to pay in the first place.
Some people must be getting a real charge out of leading people into this crap. There can't be a rational explanation for it. Their ego is such that they willingly lure less-informed, gullible people into stupid things and then blame the system for what is sure to happen to them.
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03-18-2006, 07:08 PM
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Sorry J R Beany, but there are many people that travel in their automobiles, their private conveyances without state issued tags or DLs, and they do not get hassled or pulled over any longer by the cops. Why because the cops are tried of getting beat. Most of the ones I know about are in California and Washington state. You can spout crap all you like, but does not make the truth any less true.
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03-18-2006, 07:18 PM
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A bit of history:
Judge Roy Bean read about somebody here requesting help and ran a poll/topic on Quatloos. He requested votes on several options. From memory:
Should I:
1) inform the DA in that area about suijuris?
2) post on suijuris.net and persist in trying to talk some sense into this poor fellow who is getting nonsense for counsel there?
3) just forget about it and let him get what he deserves?
But there were seven or eight options - mainly poking fun at the idiots here.
It would seem that JRB has opted for item 2). However he severely underestimates the intelligence level here. He thinks we just make this stuff up as we believe it and vice versa.
I have been linking the truth of history and law abundantly lately. I think I will organize my entire library of links soon and post it for you all. It is getting quite volumous. However, don't expect JRB and the other attorneys to go away soon. There is really something very wrong with the way they think.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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03-18-2006, 08:12 PM
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The Death Of Common Sense
I agree with you, David, common sense is not very ‘common’ anymore … as "overly complex procedural rules have superseded good judgement and common sense."
THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE: How Law Is Suffocating America’ http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/howard.html
“… over-reliance during the last few decades on statutes and regulations as a means to creating a better society has in fact created its opposite: "a system of regulation that goes too far while it also does too little."
The book provides numerous examples of how bureaucratic rigidity, costly and ineffective regulation, and overly complex procedural rules have superseded good judgement and common sense. |
03-18-2006, 08:22 PM
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Meant to add this
THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE
How Law Is Suffocating America
By Philip K. Howard
Random House, 1994, 202 pages
"We should stop looking to law to provide the final answer," he writes. "Law should articulate goals, award subsidies, allocate presumptions, and provide mechanisms for resolving disagreements, but law should almost never provide the final answer.
Life is too complex. Our public goals are too complex....
Law can't think, and so law must be entrusted to humans and they must take responsibility for their interpretation of it."
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