Can you issue your own DL ???

[David Merrill]

I have issued my own sovereign ID/driver license and even used the Great Seal of Authority for the State of Colorado corporation on it. In context of the times I think they pretty much ignored it as though I showed them nothing at all for traffic stops.

The interesting part is when I published a copy of it informing the Department of Revenue I would be using the Seal. I sent the document up to Denver and the DoR sent back a notice they would be forwarding the Notice to the State Attorney General. I sent a thank you letter for the oversight and thanked them for saving me the trouble.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[jdogpupil]

I can appreciate that the SC has already ruled on travel and licensing.

My license comes up for renewal this month. What would stop me from signing it "Name, UD, All Rights Reserved, UCC 1-308"? As I understand it, that would preserve my travel freedom - signing without contracting.

What happens if & when the DMV clerk says "I can't accept that"? What should the response be? I anticipate someone will make a fuss.

[Shoonra]

You could issue your own DL, but it would only be valid to enable you to drive only on your own thoroughfares. Once you get out on the municipal or state roadways, you're gonna need a DL issued by the state govt.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

You could issue your own DL, but it would only be valid to enable you to drive only on your own thoroughfares. Once you get out on the municipal or state roadways, you're gonna need a DL issued by the state govt.

Agreed. So do not use the driver license for ID purposes. Give the officer a Certificate of Search on your true name for ID.

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Note the dates. See how the clerk of court tried to falsify James Roland's name into a legal fiction. I wrote to Congress ($350) a complaint to get that corrected. To Jim's delight: (attached) - just listen to that guy go on. He was subsequently building a parking lot, right off of the roadway - a nice paved looking thing I hear. The State inspectors stopped by and Jim told them about 'saving to suitors' and they left him to build his parking lot.

Sign the driver license "True Name dba FIRST MIDDLE LAST" like on the current legal or full name.

Your true name is First and Middle only like defined - Christian or given names:

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Your signature will tell the officer that the name on the license is different than your own.

In Colorado as the suitors did this the Department of Revenue quickly swapped out the larger digital pads for tiny ones. And as they encountered this signature, the police would confiscate the license without explanation so that the suitor would have to go get a replacement.

If that is more practical there, just sign true name only. When you hand it to the policeman tell him that you are giving him the published (county clerk and recorder) Certificate of Search for ID purposes. The driver license is to show competency only; that is not your name but a trust you do commercial business in.

Now you have set up that elusive God-given right to travel you seek. The man (true name) has three days to Refuse for Cause the commercial presentment.

This is why "suitors" or as I often call them courts of competent jurisdiction set up an evidence repository for R4C. This provides a case jacket in the "exclusive original cognizance" so the US has to protect against seizure of that thing - the legal or full named artifice.

Quit being that thing!


Regards,

David Merrill.

[Dillon Hunt]

Originally Posted by jdogpupil

I can appreciate that the SC has already ruled on travel and licensing.

My license comes up for renewal this month. What would stop me from signing it "Name, UD, All Rights Reserved, UCC 1-308"? As I understand it, that would preserve my travel freedom - signing without contracting.

What happens if & when the DMV clerk says "I can't accept that"? What should the response be? I anticipate someone will make a fuss.

I would ask the clerk if she/he is making a legal determination about the signature, therefore practicing law w/o a license.

If that does not work, maybe I would get the license but come back a week later saying I misplaced the original license and now need a new copy, then sign as I wish and if not accepted, I would tell the clerk that when I am cited by an officer for no license they will be called as my witness to testify on the stand about why they did not accept my signature and how they were practicing law w/o a license.

I would be sure to ask for their business card to see their reaction !!!

As always not legal advice


Thank U

DH

[goffertrap]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

You could issue your own DL, but it would only be valid to enable you to drive only on your own thoroughfares. Once you get out on the municipal or state roadways, you're gonna need a DL issued by the state govt.

This I found somewhat true in past laws in my state. Farmers for example, did not have to reg. or lis. a vehicle for farm work. You could drive wherever you wanted.

Of course, these laws are all repealed at this point. Won't get the new laws until Sept. or Oct. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

As far as issueing your own dl, that's funny. Can you issue your own Passport as well. How about sbl? You can draw up whatever you want, but in the end your going to be paying. Pay the 15-20$ for the damn dl, and problem is solved.

[goffertrap]

Originally Posted by jdogpupil

I can appreciate that the SC has already ruled on travel and licensing.

My license comes up for renewal this month. What would stop me from signing it "Name, UD, All Rights Reserved, UCC 1-308"? As I understand it, that would preserve my travel freedom - signing without contracting.

What happens if & when the DMV clerk says "I can't accept that"? What should the response be? I anticipate someone will make a fuss.

Nothing would stop you from signing anything. YOu caould put put on there, "your all a bunch of a**holes", won't do you any good.

In America, there is no need to reserve your rights. You have your rights until YOU give them away, so signing that would make you look retarted.

I can find nothing that states that the ucc regulates driving. Again, sign what you want, but it is useless.

For the dmv clerk, and quoting you" What happens if & when the DMV clerk says "I can't accept that"? ", Not a damn thing, you walk home. If you took the time to go up, have your pic taken, and even have time to sign your name, that's all they need. The rest is a waste of space, and should be put in file 13 with the rest of the crap that clog's up the system.

I ran around without a dl for 12 years, by choice. It just became such a pain in the ass to do anyting, I got one. My way out, was that I paid a bond, rather than have auto insurance, and felt fairly safe doing that. But, as I said, you limit what you can access and cannot. Just pay the small fee.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Assuming you ever were stopped by police during those 12 years, how did you handle the lack of DL? Or, what was their reaction?

[goffertrap]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

Assuming you ever were stopped by police during those 12 years, how did you handle the lack of DL? Or, what was their reaction?

Farmer:

I was never "picked up". I have not been pulled over for some 20 years. I was arrested on a felony, and was driving at the time, but the dl was the least of worries at that point.

My problem came with cashing checks, attempting to buy things and would get carded, and so on.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by jdogpupil

I can appreciate that the SC has already ruled on travel and licensing.

My license comes up for renewal this month. What would stop me from signing it "Name, UD, All Rights Reserved, UCC 1-308"? As I understand it, that would preserve my travel freedom - signing without contracting.

What happens if & when the DMV clerk says "I can't accept that"? What should the response be? I anticipate someone will make a fuss.

The rights you are attempting to preserve with that UCC verbiage is inherent, God-given unalienable, in the men and women. So sign:

First Middle

That is the simplest expression of the man or woman. The name you parents gave you. If you co-create (with the commercial registration of a birth certificate) any other entities, they are subject to a different creator - the State. And if you think you are it, you are the subject.


Regards,

David Merrill.