Insurance & the Private Automobile

[fulltitle]

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Ideas, opinions and recommended providers concerning the financial responsibility or insurance options for the private automobile even if the automobile is in a private trust?

[Shoonra]

Unless you are satisfied keeping that car up on blocks, or just ripping up doughnuts in your backyard, you will have to come up with auto liability insurance. Otherwise the state will not issue a license tag to allow that car on the public roads.

In some states, insurance is required for a driver's license, in others it is required for a car registration, and in some it is not required until the car or the driver is involved in an accident and then it must be gotten.

The Supreme Court has said that the states have the authority to require this insurance as a condition for a license or registration.

To qualify for the license or registration, the insurance must be approved by the state's insurance (or highway) commissioner. Any substitute for regular insurance - some trucking companies and the like have substantial emergency bank accounts for the purpose so they don't have to pay out premiums - has to be approved by the appropriate commissioner if it is to be accepted as a substitute for regular insurance.

Some time ago, on this same topic, I asked if anyone remembered an outfit from about 6 years ago -- the Puget Sound Agricultural Society - which pretended to have a "Christian alternative" to regular auto insurance. As far as I can figure, all the money went to the guys in charge, not a penny was ever paid out for an accident (and considering that most of its "members" chose this scheme because they couldn't get regular insurance, there were probably a lot of accidents). It appears to have folded its tents suddenly and vanished about 4 years ago, but a few months back the FBI arrested the ringleaders for a variety of fraud by mail, fraud by wire, etc., offenses.

Originally Posted by fulltitle

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Ideas, opinions and recommended providers concerning the financial responsibility or insurance options for the private automobile even if the automobile is in a private trust?

Just for the fun of it... remind the state that in accordance with Senate Document #43, "all property belongs to the state".. therefore, it is theirs and also their responsibility to pay for the license, upkeep, and insurance... They have already certified you as a driver- able to use their equipment and able to travel safely on their highways.. etc...

I am really curious how they would respond to such a presentation.

Jerry.

[KITCHIE]

I always thought that would be a great idea. Hey State of Nevada, you car got a parking ticket (see enclosed). Please pay imediately and provide me with a copy of your cancelled check to show it has been paid.

Also your insurance is due in 10 days and it needs a tune up and oil change. Please take care of these matters asap.

signed,
One of the mythical little people

What a hoot that would be.

Kitchie

I have a friend in Ontario that rides ‘bareback’ as he calls it. He is sans everything, driver’s license, and insurance, absolutely nothing. Well the police stopped him and came pounding up to the car he was driving and demanded, IS THIS YOUR CAR? And he answered, as a matter of fact, no it is not, it belongs to the province. So the cops went back and radioed to the police station and talked for about twenty minutes, and then came back and said, you are free to go and so he just drove off … and he still drives sans.

Like on the back of the driver’s license … it reads THIS CARD REMAINS THE PROPERTY OF THE ISSUING AGENCY … so the correct answer is when you are requested to produce YOUR driver’s license is … I don’t own one, BUT the issuing agency for the province does.

[fulltitle]

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Unless you are satisfied keeping that car up on blocks, or just ripping up doughnuts in your backyard, you will have to come up with auto liability insurance.

Matter of fact, the car starts and rides the same with or without an insurance card in the glove compartment. And when you say "you" do you mean that in the singular or plural sense?

Otherwise the state will not issue a license tag to allow that car on the public roads.

I dont need permission from the State to travel. I dont drive. I travel.

In some states, insurance is required for a driver's license, in others it is required for a car registration, and in some it is not required until the car or the driver is involved in an accident and then it must be gotten. The Supreme Court has said that the states have the authority to require this insurance as a condition for a license or registration.

Makes sense. The eStates have regulations.

To qualify for the license or registration, the insurance must be approved by the state's insurance (or highway) commissioner.

I was actually more asking for insurance companies with good rates for private (non-residential, non-public) motorcars in trusts. Starting an insurance company isnt that hard actually.

Any substitute for regular insurance - some trucking companies and the like have substantial emergency bank accounts for the purpose so they don't have to pay out premiums - has to be approved by the appropriate commissioner if it is to be accepted as a substitute for regular insurance.

The question was about private automobiles (in trusts). Hoping someone wuold mention companies with favorable deals. And not necessarily asking for myself.

but a few months back the FBI arrested the ringleaders for a variety of fraud by mail, fraud by wire, etc., offenses.

Because cos the FBI arrests someone does not mean they did anything unlawful--when you are five watching cops'n robber cartoons you might believe the contrary is always true. Sometimes (if not often) cops are robbers.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Unless you are satisfied keeping that car up on blocks, or just ripping up doughnuts in your backyard, you will have to come up with auto liability insurance. Otherwise the state will not issue a license tag to allow that car on the public roads.

Listen to Shoonra and it will always be the way it ever was - the same old song.

I know a young lady who had a certificate of search from the US District Court in Denver on her vehicle by VIN #. She took it to the County DMV registration located in conjunction with the county clerk and recorder. They asked her for proof of insurance according to private corporate policy*. She said she had no insurance for the car. They asked her how she got downtown and she replied that she drove the car in question. They pulled her into an office and informed her she was being arrested for no insurance. She produced the Certificate of Search.

They had a meeting in another office while she waited. Then they returned her certificate and allowed her to register the vehicle without insurance.

So if you are happy with the status quo, just keep listening to Shoonra. I certainly appreciate her contrast to the way I think around here.

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Then of course there is the fellow paying no registration taxation at all. The police kept his car for a while but after abating the nuisance suits for no insurance, driver license and registration they could not in good conscience and good faith sell his car so they returned it.



Regards,

David Merrill.

* Which is of course superseded by law dictating that agents of a foreign principal, the State of Colorado corporate officers must first file in the district courts of the United States and get a judgment before they can impair any property rights, including the privilege of "being free" from police state harassment for no tags on the vehicle. Because being free is not a privilege. The officers at DMV were simply protecting the police from committing false arrest and imprisonment.

[powder]

Why not send a Notice of Contract Offer to the federal transport minister... Post your own bond.

While you are at it, put your own plate on it and inform the minister of the plate so they have a RECORD of it and know how to identify your vehicle in case there is ever a problem.

(From the Mary Croft book)

[SansRecours]

Can the state force anyone into making a contract with a third party?

Can you say involuntary servitude, peonage, and Bailey v.Alabama 219 US 219??

Because there exists, I believe, in every state the statute compelling liability insurance, and because there exists a statute compelling liability insurance upon every officer/agent on the highway, can we agree that the presumption exists that ALL on the road are mere insurable interests (creatures of contract)?

Where is the constitution in all this?

Still I am

SansRecours

The state can force the public TRUST FAMILY-NAME into anything once they have your consent to ACT as a co-trustee/beneficiary to the TRUST. Remember they created it and they OWN it.

It is game over as everything unto the TRUST is military law and the law of necessity. And as you have volunteered it is voluntary servitude instead of involuntary servitude. And if you don't say no you just said yes.

They get around the constitution by WAR AND EMERGENCY POWERS which are still in effect from Lincoln’s time.