08-02-2007, 04:59 PM
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Traffic Stop Question
Is a traffic stop/apprehention a criminal investagation?
No one or thing Damaged
YES or NO, Please
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We are all in violation of the law somewhere, so is your adversary. Romans 3:23
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08-02-2007, 05:58 PM
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In most states YES!
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08-02-2007, 07:05 PM
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In most states YES!
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Will I be asked any questions after I take the fifth? Yes or No, Please
Also is there evidence signed under penalty of perjury of a corpus delecti before the criminal apprehesion began?
Yes or No, Please
The corpus delecti of a crime consists of two elements: (1) the fact of the injury or loss or harm, and (2) the existence of a criminal agency as its cause.
NO CORPUS DELECTI MEANS NO CRIME
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We are all in violation of the law somewhere, so is your adversary. Romans 3:23
If you don't turn to Jesus and let him change the way you think, you will perish.
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08-02-2007, 07:31 PM
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Also is there evidence signed under penalty of perjury of a corpus delecti before the criminal apprehesion began?
Yes or No, Please
The corpus delecti of a crime consists of two elements: (1) the fact of the injury or loss or harm, and (2) the existence of a criminal agency as its cause.
NO CORPUS DELECTI MEANS NO CRIME
After the fifth is given any questions can be asked but are not required to be answered.
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Perhaps our earth is round to prevent our discovering a boundary condition restricting our own simulation limits.
We are all in violation of the law somewhere, so is your adversary. Romans 3:23
If you don't turn to Jesus and let him change the way you think, you will perish.
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08-05-2007, 06:04 PM
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Will I be asked any questions after I take the fifth? Yes or No, Please
Yes. You will be asked some questions and depending on the state law you may have to answer them. A case in Nevada went all the way to the US Supreme court and the high court ruled that requiring a person to identify themselves is not protected under the 5th amendment at least to the point of giving a name. No docs are required but a name is. If no docs are given then the police can, with proper statutory authority, detain you and take you to a facility in order to obtain id. ID is very loose and I think you can make you own with a notary and just put a serial number on it. I use doc number form the notary. : )
Also is there evidence signed under penalty of perjury of a corpus delecti before the criminal apprehesion began?
Yes or No, Please
No, and it is not required. As you will show below.
No, not required. Show me where law requires that for a criminal prosecution.
The corpus delecti of a crime consists of two elements: (1) the fact of the injury or loss or harm, and (2) the existence of a criminal agency as its cause.
I thought we were talking of "criminal apprehension. Now you are talking of "Apprehending a criminal". These two statements are not equal. In the first "criminal" is a adjective. In the second construction "criminal" is a noun.
Bouvier's law dictionary makes the distinction clear.
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CRIMINAL. Relating to, or having the character of crime; as, criminal law, criminal conversation, &c. It also signifies a person convicted of a crime.
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So it should be clear that a "criminal" prosecution is one that has the characteristics of a prosecution for "a crime" but may not be for a crime. However a criminal as a noun is convicted of a crime, not a criminal offense.
NO CORPUS DELECTI MEANS NO CRIME
True. We are talking of "criminal acts" however and not "acts that are crimes."
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08-05-2007, 08:34 PM
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Yes. You will be asked some questions and depending on the state law you may have to answer them. A case in Nevada went all the way to the US Supreme court and the high court ruled that requiring a person to identify themselves is not protected under the 5th amendment at least to the point of giving a name. No docs are required but a name is. If no docs are given then the police can, with proper statutory authority, detain you and take you to a facility in order to obtain id. ID is very loose and I think you can make you own with a notary and just put a serial number on it. I use doc number form the notary. : )
This Nevada case was argued incorrectly, there were issues left out. Like state inmunity or federal inminity being granted before giving any name, etc. Also give a first or middle name or even a christian name or nic Name, etc. Also as you know your name is heresay and so is any DOB and I am not a person as defined in any States Revised Code (private copyrighted law).
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08-05-2007, 08:40 PM
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Yes. You will be asked some questions and depending on the state law you may have to answer them. A case in Nevada went all the way to the US Supreme court and the high court ruled that requiring a person to identify themselves is not protected under the 5th amendment at least to the point of giving a name. No docs are required but a name is. If no docs are given then the police can, with proper statutory authority, detain you and take you to a facility in order to obtain id. ID is very loose and I think you can make you own with a notary and just put a serial number on it. I use doc number form the notary. : )
This Nevada case was argued incorrectly, there were issues left out. Like state inmunity or federal inminity being granted before giving any name, etc. Also give a first or middle name or even a christian name or nic Name, etc. Also as you know your name is heresay and so is any DOB and I am not a person as defined in any States Revised Code (private copyrighted law).
So it should be clear that a "criminal" prosecution is one that has the characteristics of a prosecution for "a crime" but may not be for a crime. However a criminal as a noun is convicted of a crime, not a criminal offense.
Bottom line - no crime victim, no crime at all of any kind,
No corpus delicti mean no one has any standing to bring the case in the first place.
No matter what they say it is either criminal or civil !!!
Thanks
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Perhaps our earth is round to prevent our discovering a boundary condition restricting our own simulation limits.
We are all in violation of the law somewhere, so is your adversary. Romans 3:23
If you don't turn to Jesus and let him change the way you think, you will perish.
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08-05-2007, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dillon Hunt
Bottom line - no crime victim, no crime at all of any kind,
So? You are going to be charged with an administrative criminal action in most states.
No matter what they say it is either criminal or civil !!!
Not true at all.
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