Silver Bullet

[Dillon Hunt]

Motor vehicles code definitions.


(E) “Passenger car” means any motor vehicle that is designed and used for carrying not more than nine persons and includes any motor vehicle that is designed and used for carrying not more than fifteen persons in a ridesharing arrangement. So Passenger Car = for carrying less then 10 persons + used for carrying less than 16 persons in a ridesharing agreement. Both activities together not one without the other.
Most Peoples cars are classified as Passenger Cars.


(Y) “Chauffeur” means any operator who operates a motor vehicle (Passenger Car), other than a taxicab, as an employee for hire; or any operator whether or not the owner of a motor vehicle, other than a taxicab, who operates such vehicle for transporting, for gain, compensation, or profit, either persons or property owned by another.

Any operator of a motor vehicle (Passenger Car) who is voluntarily involved in a ridesharing arrangement is not considered an employee for hire or OPERATING such vehicle for gain, compensation, or profit.


So Why isn't a Passenger Car classified as a Noncommercial Motor Vehicle ?


No Operating means no traffic ticket


Dillon

[Shoonra]

You seriously misunderstand a simple sentence. A voluntary driver is an operator, just not for gain or compensation or profit.

[palani]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

You seriously misunderstand a simple sentence. A voluntary driver is an operator, just not for gain or compensation or profit.

understanding O.E. understandincge "comprehension," from understand (q.v.). Meaning "mutual agreement" is attested from 1803.

understand O.E. understandan "comprehend, grasp the idea of," probably lit. "stand in the midst of," from under + standan "to stand" (see stand). If this is the meaning, the under is not the usual word meaning "beneath," but from O.E. under, from PIE *nter- "between, among" (cf. Skt. antar "among, between," L. inter "between, among," Gk. entera "intestines;" see inter-). But the exact notion is unclear. Perhaps the ult. sense is "be close to," cf. Gk. epistamai "I know how, I know," lit. "I stand upon." Similar formations are found in O.Fris. (understonda), M.Dan. (understande), while other Gmc. languages use compounds meaning "stand before" (cf. Ger. verstehen, represented in O.E. by forstanden ). For this concept, most I.E. languages use fig. extensions of compounds that lit. mean "put together," or "separate," or "take, grasp."

misunderstand c.1200; see mis- (1) + understand. Misunderstanding "dissention, disagreement" is first recorded 1642

Shoonra is correct, of course. If there is a misunderstanding get yourself a "mutual agreement" (contract) for proper 'understanding', else you might be 'misunderstood'. Shoonra, can you fill us in on how to obtain such a contract?

[palani]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

You seriously misunderstand a simple sentence.

Sentence Meaning "punishment imposed by a court" is from c.1300

Quite true and almost prophetic.

[Dillon Hunt]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

You seriously misunderstand a simple sentence. A voluntary driver is an operator, just not for gain or compensation or profit.

Levy of annual license tax.

An annual license tax is hereby levied upon the operation of motor vehicles on the public roads or highways, for the purpose of enforcing and paying the expense of administering the law relative to the registration and operation of such vehicles; planning, constructing, maintaining, and repairing public roads, highways, and streets;
(The Commercial Activity of (Operating a Business as a Commicial Carrier) is what is taxed not the Motor Vehicle)

(H) “Noncommercial motor vehicle” means any motor vehicle, including a farm truck as defined in this Revised Code, that is designed by the manufacturer to carry a load of no more than one ton and is used exclusively for purposes other than engaging in business for profit.

If it is not classified a Noncommercial motor vehicle it must be by definition a Commercial motor vehicle.



So Why isn't a Passenger Car involved in a ridesharing agreement not classified as a Noncommercial Motor Vehicle or Noncommercial Passenge Car?

What would you classify a Passenger Car involved in a ridesharing agreement and involved in Operating a Business for profit or hire? C or NC

What would you classify a Passenger Car Operating a Business for Profit or Hire? C or NC

What would you classify a noncommercial motor vehicle involved in a ridesharing agreement and Operating a business for profit or hire?

What would you classify a commercial motor vechicle that in not engaged in Operating a Business as a common carrier for profit or hire?

What would you classify a commercial motor vehicle involved in a ridesharing agreement and engaged as a common carrier for profit or hire?


Thanks

DH

[FreeFromContract]

Someone whom I respect passed this along to me which applies to the topic at hand.

The court below placed a different interpretation on section 11580.9, subdivision (b) of the Insurance Code. The trial court pointed out such a "construction makes the wording of subdivision (b) redundant. That provision speaks of 'renting or leasing commercial vehicles'. If renting or leasing is what makes the vehicle a commercial vehicle, there is no need to use the word 'commercial'. It would be sufficient to use the word 'vehicle' or 'automobile used for transporting persons'."

"Furthermore," the trial court said, "subdivision (b) speaks of 'the leasing of any other motor vehicle for six months or longer'. Vehicle Code Section 260, subdivision (a) encompasses vehicles used for carrying persons for hire and the transportation of property. If the act of leasing those vehicles makes them commercial vehicles, what other types of motor vehicles are there that one might lease for six months or longer?"
We conclude that the lower court's construction of Vehicle Code section 260 more reasonably conforms to the legislative intent and that the term "for hire" modifies the word "transportation," so that a commercial vehicle is one in which persons or property are transported for hire.

The case clearly explains that "renting " and "Leasing" have nothing to do with being commercial at all.

[DocBrotherman]

In Wisconsin, an ATV is defined as "engine driven", but a "motor vehicle " is "self propelled". Get this--
The D.O.T. ONLYdeals with non-private vehicles. Your remedy is NOT in the statutes. An operator is NOT the same as a driver. (yes, I have a class A license, CDL)
My company operates the truck, I, drive it.
See that sign at the top of the on-ramp of the freeway that says "pedestrians and other non-motorized traffic prohibited"? The peds are being considered "traffic" (look it up) and it is ALL commercial. Everything. The presumption is that you are commercial. Period. That is all the State deals with. If they are even talking to you, you have entered the Matrix. They have to presume you are in it, or to them, you don't exist. Get educated and read "The Red Amendment" It may help you to get the context of the situation.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by DocBrotherman

In Wisconsin, an ATV is defined as "engine driven", but a "motor vehicle " is "self propelled". Get this--
The D.O.T. ONLYdeals with non-private vehicles. Your remedy is NOT in the statutes. An operator is NOT the same as a driver. (yes, I have a class A license, CDL)
My company operates the truck, I, drive it.
See that sign at the top of the on-ramp of the freeway that says "pedestrians and other non-motorized traffic prohibited"? The peds are being considered "traffic" (look it up) and it is ALL commercial. Everything. The presumption is that you are commercial. Period. That is all the State deals with. If they are even talking to you, you have entered the Matrix. They have to presume you are in it, or to them, you don't exist. Get educated and read "The Red Amendment" It may help you to get the context of the situation.

Excellent point Doc;


I just had an interesting dream. I was being inducted into the Army and was standing in line when I remembered I do not have a DOB or SSN - no birth certificate too. An administrative lady started badgering me and a big drill seargent type sidled up to me to make her threat clear.

I offered: "If I can kill this guy with my bear hands, I bet you would let me in without any more questions, huh?"

Look at the signature line on this non-endorsement. The commercial entity is the company operating the vehicle.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.

They have to presume you are in it, or to them, you don't exist.

As I've alluded to with some...perhaps a birth certificate in some ways is more for them than for you.

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by fulltitle

Without Prejudice.

As I've alluded to with some...perhaps a birth certificate in some ways is more for them than for you.

Of course it is. Since when would they create anything that doesn't benefit them? How else could they register a security interest over any item? How else could they show the net worth of a nation to the creditors without having as much as possible in a ledger?