stealing my stuff

[DCLXVI]

The state has an intrest in your car because the tow company does.

The tow company has one because they performed work on the car. Mechanics liens do not always arise from formal agreement between the two parties. They are often formed from third party intrests.

[gldskr]

dillon

Why do you continue to bang your head against a wall?

Originally Posted by Dillon

When did the State become the co-owner of the car?

At registration, right.

The state is not the owner or co-owner; does not want to be an owner or co-owner, but they will put a lien on your registered vehicle if you fail to pay a debt as a result of violating one of their codes.

It seems that we have hashed this out on a different thread but I'll say it again. Registration is your testimony that your vehicle is a motor vehicle, its as simple as that. You applied for the registration, they weren't banging your door down to get it. You wanted to play in their sandbox and they said yes, which according to their codes, allows them to "steal" your vehicle.

gldskr

[Dillon Hunt]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI

The state has an intrest in your car because the tow company does.

The tow company has one because they performed work on the car. Mechanics liens do not always arise from formal agreement between the two parties. They are often formed from third party intrests.

They volunteer and he who volunteers can't claim an injury.

[DCLXVI]

I agree that it all revolves around the use of "motor vehicle"

[Dillon Hunt]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI

I agree that it all revolves around the use of "motor vehicle"

MAXIMS OF LAW
To him consenting no injury is done.
He who consents cannot receive an injury.
Consent removes or obviates a mistake.
One who wills a thing to be or to be done cannot complain of that thing as an injury.
The agreement of the parties overcomes or prevails against the law.
He who approves cannot reject.
Agreement takes the place of the law: the express understanding of parties supersedes such understanding as the law would imply.
Manner and agreement overrule the law.
Certain legal consequences are attached to the voluntary act of a person / corporation.
It is immaterial whether a person / corporation gives assent by words or by acts and deeds.

[gldskr]

Originally Posted by Dillon

They volunteer and he who volunteers can't claim an injury.

They did not volunteer, they contracted with the state in accordance with your contract with the state. You contracted with the tow company through your agent, the state.

gldskr

[DCLXVI]

Originally Posted by Dillon Hunt

They volunteer and he who volunteers can't claim an injury.

I do not know what the nouns "they" "he" and "Who" are refering to.

[DCLXVI]

Originally Posted by Dillon Hunt

When did the State become the co-owner of the car?

At registration, right.

Sounds like the crime of conversion.

Well you are wrong and that is exactly what is on the website you cited form.

There is no conversion at all. There is a "surrender". You surrender the title to the state. They do "convert" it from you. Look up the term.

So although I do not agree with "co-owner" I would say that engagement in interstate commerce begins with the finance agreement.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by DCLXVI

I do not know what the nouns "they" "he" and "Who" are refering to.

You also do not seem to know the difference between nouns and pronouns.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by gldskr

dillon

Why do you continue to bang your head against a wall?



The state is not the owner or co-owner; does not want to be an owner or co-owner, but they will put a lien on your registered vehicle if you fail to pay a debt as a result of violating one of their codes.

It seems that we have hashed this out on a different thread but I'll say it again.

Registration is your testimony that your vehicle is a motor vehicle, its as simple as that. You applied for the registration, they weren't banging your door down to get it.

You wanted to play in their sandbox and they said yes, which according to their codes, allows them to "steal" your vehicle.

gldskr

I think the state likely is "banging your door down" to compel you to "apply" for "registration."

Who in their right mind wants "to play in their sandbox?"

Who is holder in due course of the MSO and/or Title?

Where does proof of ownership lie if one holds a receipt, and the Secretary of State holds actual Title to the property?

Do they hold Title as lien?

Why was the actual title not part and parcel of the purchase, but instead was sent to the Secretary of State DMV?

One purchases a car and is given possession of such, but Title is not included in the purchase and is not in possession of the purchaser?

So, what happens when I go to the Secretary of State and show my receipt and ask for my Title/MSO?

What is the relationship of Title to car?