Quick passport question...documentation

[deacon]

passport. In international law. A license or safe conduct, issued during the progress of a war, authorizing a person(!) to remove himself or his effects from the territory of one of the beligerent nations to another country or to travel from country to country without arrest or detention on account of war. Black's 5th

Soooo, who ya fightin' with?

[macerico]

Ah. Now it makes sense.

I saw no problem with the "allegiance" part because, for what it's worth, I do "love" America and I would not betray it, but if it's all a word game (I owe no allegiance to the corporate fiction called the "United States" or any of its registered aliases), then indeed a passport is undoing what I've been trying to break away from.

Still, what does one do to travel abroad, or do you just accept that you can't?

This might be a loaded question since until recently, you didn't need a passport to travel in continental North America. Soon, they want to make it mandatory, but there are still wrenches in the works on that one.

[mrg]

Soon (February 2008) you will need to register with and be approved by Homeland Security to fly domestically (internal passport).

The Reich is pretty much in place, I suppose an official Reichsfuhrer will be needed.

Herr Schicklegruber was quite insane.

I am confident that Amerika has enough blue-blooded inbred quasi-aristocrats to prop up one who will fit that bill.

Do we have enough red-blooded Americans to prevent it?

[Extramural]

Originally Posted by mrg

Soon (February 2008) you will need to register with and be approved by Homeland Security to fly domestically (internal passport).

The Reich is pretty much in place, I suppose an official Reichsfuhrer will be needed.

Herr Schicklegruber was quite insane.

I am confident that Amerika has enough blue-blooded inbred quasi-aristocrats to prop up one who will fit that bill.

Do we have enough red-blooded Americans to prevent it?

To re-phrase your question: Do we have enough Men and Women to prevent it?

They will not pass a law that applies to such classification.

[Extramural]

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...-name-lon.html

Quote from Article:

"The Terrorist Screening Center runs the list, which is created from nominations from a wide array of government agencies via the National Counter Terrorism Center. The watch list entries are used to check persons seeking visas, travellers entering or leaving the country, domestic airline passengers and persons stopped by state, local or federal law enforcement. Most of the positive matches on the list came from police routinely checking persons, such as speeding motorists, against the list, according to the Government Accountablity Office's report (.pdf). The TSA is responsible for resolving mismatches, which can happen when an innocent person's name is similar or the same as different, watch listed person. The number of individuals on the list may be significantly less than three quarters of a million, since the name count include aliases."

I'll refrain from writing openly what my grandma said about these type of posturing techniques.

To travel, you have a choice: (1) by benefit of their permission; or (2) by your own will and freedom.

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by Extramural

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...-name-lon.html

Quote from Article:

"The Terrorist Screening Center runs the list, which is created from nominations from a wide array of government agencies via the National Counter Terrorism Center. The watch list entries are used to check persons seeking visas, travellers entering or leaving the country, domestic airline passengers and persons stopped by state, local or federal law enforcement. Most of the positive matches on the list came from police routinely checking persons, such as speeding motorists, against the list, according to the Government Accountablity Office's report (.pdf). The TSA is responsible for resolving mismatches, which can happen when an innocent person's name is similar or the same as different, watch listed person. The number of individuals on the list may be significantly less than three quarters of a million, since the name count include aliases."

This makes perfect sense, generate a list from a list of international travelers seeking entry or exit from a US port of entry and then apply it within the 50 states through local law enforcement for anyone having a driver's license who is pulled over for a traffic infraction.

Think about this. The list is fast approaching a size that would indicate 1 out of every 300 people in America is a "suspect" for one reason or another (with the criteria defined under private secret rules and policies which won't disclosed due under the guise of national security).

A relative of mine who lived in Germany before and during the Nazi takeover has provided more than enough parallel examples that we are moving toward a fascist state. Of course, this is all being done under the excuse of doing what's best for the people in this country.....BS!

[mrg]

Originally Posted by FreeFromContract

A relative of mine who lived in Germany before and during the Nazi takeover has provided more than enough parallel examples that we are moving toward a fascist state.

To my mind, "we" are not "them."

Or, to put it another way, "I" am not of that "we" you say "are moving toward a fascist state," and I doubt that you are either.

There has more than likely been a "fascist state" here since before Germany had its "Nazi takeover."

WWII was, in a sense, a war to see which fascist regime would prevail.

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by mrg

To my mind, "we" are not "them."

Or, to put it another way, "I" am not of that "we" you say "are moving toward a fascist state," and I doubt that you are either.

There has more than likely been a "fascist state" here since before Germany had its "Nazi takeover."

WWII was, in a sense, a war to see which fascist regime would prevail.

I understand what your saying, but the point is whether or not you (I or any of us, for that matter) are supporters of the defacto governments is immaterial. Whether any of us are within the lawful jurisdiction of the defacto governments is immaterial.

If you live in any one of the 50 states and try to live your life freely and without government interference, the defacto and increasingly fascist governments will continue their incursions into your personal life under the guise of protecting the public (just as the Nazi's did when they came to power in Germany).

Passport applications and the stack of pages concerning the statutes, policy, rules and procedures concerning something as basic as international travel is only one of hundreds, if not thousands, of the examples available that illustrates the obvious.

[macerico]

So, basically, if I choose to go across the border, I say I'm an "American" (that's what I did last time). I tell them I live in Virginia and show them my driver's license.

They either let me through or tell me I have to turn about.

Right?

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Extramural

To re-phrase your question: Do we have enough Men and Women to prevent it?

They will not pass a law that applies to such classification.

Then, perhaps, it becomes: do we have enough men and women courageous and strong enough to dispose of "it?"

What so-called laws "they" "pass" are irrelevant anyway, if given that there is something that needs to be prevented (or, as I see it, disposed of).

It is far too late for prevention.

All I see is "When in the course of human events...etc."

(Just out of curiosity, have they passed any law(s) that attach(es) to un-modified "American?")




I see no "government," per se, de facto or otherwise.

How does a foreign occupation junta, as agency of Imperial speculative war financiers/investors, imposing rule of tyrannical despotism enforced by the arms of private corporate municipal mercenary troops over a conquered population constitute "government?"

"IT" is not "increasingly fascist," it IS fascist, and has been for quite a while.