Have 48 hours to respond to ticket

[aaron2100]

Hi guys, I've been somewhat disobedient of the man and chose not to register my vehicle when I purchased it from a friend. Its been wearing a plate that I had from my last vehicle. Also, I rarely carry ID as I learned from Robert Mendard that once they can prove who you are and that you are under their jurisdiction, they have authority.

Last night I got pulled over and told the officer that I believe its wrong to force people to ask for permission to drive through registration. He said he respected that, but he gave me a ticket for incorrect plates. He saw no documentation of any kind from me, no id or anything. But he did know who I was through the plate that was on my car and filled out the ticket accordingly. Oddly, he didn't ask me to sign anything. Just handed me the ticket and I was on my way.

So, now I have this ticket and I think that I can resolve this easily and quickly with a proper response, especially since I signed nothing.

I've read that writing "I refuse your offer to contract" on the ticket can work. Also, I've seen some info on tickets actually being used to pay for themselves by sending them back in the right way. I forget what that method is called though.

Please help me to respond in the most appropriate way. Thanks a ton for any help in these times of government oppression,
Aaron

[weishaupt1776]

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/member...lt-course.html

We've had tons of dismissals with this process here on the site.

The paperwork is only as good as you know how to intelligently stand upon it

[ezrhythm]

One method is to go in right away with two witnesses and attempt to pay the fine. The ticket most likely hasn't been processed or put in the system. If your payment is refused for any reason, according to the Uniform Commercial Code it is then discharged.

There is also;
- Accepted for Value
- Refused For Cause (this has the 72 hour window)
- Conditional Acceptance - Notary Protest

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by ezrhythm

One method is to go in right away with two witnesses and attempt to pay the fine. The ticket most likely hasn't been processed or put in the system. If your payment is refused for any reason, according to the Uniform Commercial Code it is then discharged.

There is also;
- Accepted for Value
- Refused For Cause (this has the 72 hour window)
- Conditional Acceptance - Notary Protest

Given aaron2100's circumstances, I believe the more prudent route is to follow the options you listed at the bottom of your post or follow the method in the link provided by weis (why take a chance on the ticket being entered in the system?).

I am speculating, but it seems the officer intentionally gave you an opportunity to prevail in this matter.

[ezrhythm]

Because if by chance they will accept his payment, he can then realize that he doesn't have any cash with him.

Oh andthere is another meathod being taught.
It is from Robert Maynard. Look up on YouTube, Breaking Bubbles of Government Deception. During a certain chapter, I can't remember exactly, 12, 13, or 14, Robert talks about traffic tickets and a remedy.

[aaron2100]

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm still looking into things, but while I am deciding I would like to know if there is a good way to hand deliver whatever it is that I want to give them. Do I need witnesses to come along? Or maybe have whoever I hand it to sign something?

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by aaron2100

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm still looking into things, but while I am deciding I would like to know if there is a good way to hand deliver whatever it is that I want to give them. Do I need witnesses to come along? Or maybe have whoever I hand it to sign something?

It's better to have a 3rd party deliver it. However you decide to proceed, you most definitely want to get proof of service.

Make sure you're serving the correct part(y/ies) as well.
Read the threads and act using the process you feel most comfortable.

[aaron2100]

On the ticket it says "COURT APPEARANCE - I promise to appear as follows or be subject to arrest."

I did not sign anything at all, so I did not promise to appear.

Possibly, when they send me something in the mail about this, I could conditionally accept that presentment and ask for proof of contract with me on the matter, as well as proof that I am the AARON and not Aaron, upon proof of claim that I showed them some sort of ID establishing an equity relationship with the city, police dept, or court, and upon proof of claim that I am a member of the society whose statutes and subsisting regulations they are enforcing, upon proof of claim that I saw and rejected the original of the carbon copy that the officer handed to me.

Or I could treat their bill (ticket) as a presentment and respond the same way as above. Does this sound appropriate for this situation? Can a bill be treated as a presentment? Thats all that I see it as, just a piece of paper that was handed to me without request for any further action. I wasn't asked to appear by the officer, nor does the ticket ask for anything from me. It simply gives me the option to sign as a promise to appear.

It does say "Indiana complaint and summons" at the top. Does it being a summons change how I should respond to it? Thanks

[aaron2100]

Also, I haven't been able to find much about refusal for cause. Could someone explain what that means and when it can be used?

[Livefire]

Two words....TICKET SLAYER!!!!! :-)