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r4c for a commercial vehicle, need help fast.
I have been reading the forums for a while now on using r4c, my question is: I have a commercial vehicle (tractor trailer) and really tired of all the fines the DOT drums up for us, I need some help real fast, we just recieved a bunch of fines today that total about $4000.00 and no way I am going to pay them, can the r4c be used for presentments on commercial vehicles? The fines are for not having the state he entered, on the apportioned plate, and a log book violation, I am apportioned for the state, but because I didn't pay the fee before he entered their state I am being fined. We have 72 hours from about 4 pm today to figure this out, or is there a better method than r4c to handle this situation.
David Merrill, I have read your posts on r4c, and am trying to understand them, can anyone help on this, please? If more information is needed I would be glad to provide it.
Thank-you in advance
Chris
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11-22-2007, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by free*to*be*me
I have been reading the forums for a while now on using r4c, my question is: I have a commercial vehicle (tractor trailer) and really tired of all the fines the DOT drums up for us, I need some help real fast, we just recieved a bunch of fines today that total about $4000.00 and no way I am going to pay them, can the r4c be used for presentments on commercial vehicles? The fines are for not having the state he entered, on the apportioned plate, and a log book violation, I am apportioned for the state, but because I didn't pay the fee before he entered their state I am being fined. We have 72 hours from about 4 pm today to figure this out, or is there a better method than r4c to handle this situation.
David Merrill, I have read your posts on r4c, and am trying to understand them, can anyone help on this, please? If more information is needed I would be glad to provide it.
Thank-you in advance
Chris
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It is never too late to learn how to Refuse for Cause. However it should be done timely according to common law - for example the UCC specifies 72 hours. At this point it may help prevent any enforceable liens and with the judgment in place, may help to keep your credit clean.
Pay particular attention to the clerk instruction example and the first paragraph in the instructions at the end:
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/attach...c?d=1184450811
One suitor worked out a clerk instruction with her local postal inspector that better conforms to Certificate of Mailing regulations. And another suitor has worked one out that is not quite airtight as I teach, but for a fraction of the cost. (attached)
Regards,
David Merrill.
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11-22-2007, 12:31 PM
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Chris, could you provide the "state"?
links to the vehicle code of such state?
Rules of civil & crim procedure of such state?
Do they have seperate Traffic COurt Rules for such state??
Last edited by weishaupt1776 : 11-22-2007 at 12:35 PM.
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11-23-2007, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776
Chris, could you provide the "state"?
links to the vehicle code of such state?
Rules of civil & crim procedure of such state?
Do they have seperate Traffic COurt Rules for such state??
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Weishaupt,
The state is pennsylvania,
heres the link to vehicle codes, http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/vehicle_code/index.shtml
criminal procedure, http://members.aol.com/RulesPA/Crim.html
civil procedure
http://members.aol.com/RulesPA/Civil.html
I would think PA has seperate traffic court rules, but not sure
Thanks everyone
Chris
Last edited by free*to*be*me : 11-23-2007 at 12:51 PM.
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05-19-2008, 09:29 AM
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update
Here is the update on this venture: we filed a countersuit by means of a LoR for this action, we replied several R4C and heard nothing after that from the state of PA. we weren't really sure that it worked until the same driver was stopped in the state of ohio driving another commercial vehicle by the DOT for speeding and let me say this driver has many speeding tickets on his legal name license, so upon being asked for his license he replied "this is not for identification purposes" and handed it to the DOT, after sitting for about 20 minutes waiting for the outcome from the DOT knowing he was running a check on the legal name license, he returned to the truck handed him a speed warning and said O.K. you are free to go, now he was right by the PA. state line and if there was a warrant for him I'm sure they would have transported him to the PA. line with pleasure, there is just one thing we still have to check, PA. is good for blocking a license from another state so it can't be renewed, after we check that I'll let everyone know the results, so for all you weary readers of the LoR and R4C I can honestly say it has worked for us so far in this action.
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05-19-2008, 09:48 AM
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FYI summary offense Vehicle Code warrants don't cross state lines
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07-29-2008, 03:10 PM
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LoR is a very powerful remedy.
We have done an all states check on the driver that counterclaimed with a LoR and found no warrants, blocks or cross state claims, including summary offenses.
So the LoR did its job of protecting this driver from any further actions and presentments from this particular state that thought they had a claim, they have taken the advice and chose their remedy of dropping all action against the flesh and blood true name body.
His license is clear from this action.
Thanks Farmer giles of ham for the tip, which is why we did a complete check and was very happy with the results. They were demanding 4000.00 FRNs, they received nothing, but a LoR and now know our standing in Gods wonderful world.
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07-29-2008, 03:22 PM
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new to this board, what does LoR mean?
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07-29-2008, 03:50 PM
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Libel Of Review.
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07-29-2008, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by free*to*be*me
We have done an all states check on the driver that counterclaimed with a LoR and found no warrants, blocks or cross state claims, including summary offenses.
So the LoR did its job of protecting this driver from any further actions and presentments from this particular state that thought they had a claim, they have taken the advice and chose their remedy of dropping all action against the flesh and blood true name body.
His license is clear from this action.
Thanks Farmer giles of ham for the tip, which is why we did a complete check and was very happy with the results. They were demanding 4000.00 FRNs, they received nothing, but a LoR and now know our standing in Gods wonderful world.
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Well done! God bless you and David Merill for this excellent info. It's amazing how powerful knowledge really is, just imagine all those other poor fellows who end up paying these satanic sobs extortionate sums of money just because they don't realize that they're being robbed and cheated by the very people that are supposed to protect them, how ironic!
Regards,
IA
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