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Request for State Dept tags
There's a lot of commercial terms used to engage us into adhesion contracts.
The following is a draft of a letter I will be sending to the State Dept.
Note this is for Texas.
Sources;
Black's Law
Texas Criminal Law and Motor Vehicle Hand book (2002 Edition gould publications)
All Texas law enforcement officers carry a copy of this in their patrol car, or a more recent version thereof.
Comments, corrections, constructive criticism, or experienced guidance is welcome.
Question: Is an allodial title required?
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Request For State Department
Plates For Private Conveyance
To whom it may concern,
My given name is John Quincy my family name is Doe. I have been researching law for the past three years, and have found that I have been defrauded by the Texas State Department of Public Safety, or in the least case was misled to believe that I was required by law to contract with the State in order to quote, “drive”. Though the initial statement is true I was not made aware that by contracting with the State I was trading an inalienable right to travel for a revokable, taxable privilege. My request is based on the definitions of these commercial terms.
Drive- TRC §522.003 (11) “Drive” means to operate or be in physical control of a motor vehicle.
Motor vehicle- PC §28.01 (4), §30.01, §31.11 ( c), §32.34(a)(2), 501.002(14), §502.001, §503.001(10), §522.003 (21), §541.201 (11), §601.002 (5), §621.001 (5), §642.001 (1), §683.001 (4), §706.001 (5), §725.001 (3), §728.001 (2), V §4413(29c)(1) all definitions pertain to a “vehicle”.
Vehicle- PC §28.01 (4) “Vehicle” includes any device in, on, or by which any person or property is or may be propelled, moved, or drawn in the normal course of commerce or transportation.
30.01 (3) “Vehicle” includes any device in, on, or by which any person or property is or may be propelled, moved, or drawn in the normal course of commerce or transportation, axecpt such devices as are classified as habitations. TRC §502.001 (24) “Vehicle” includes a device in, on, or by which any person or property is or may be transported, or drawn on public highway, other than a device used exclusively on stationary rails or tracks. §621.001 (9) “Vehicle means a mechanical device, other than a device moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks, in, on, or by which a person or property can be transported on a public highway. The term includes a motor vehicle, commercial motor vehicle, truck-tractor, trailer, or semitrailer but does not include manufactured housing as defined by the Texas Manufactured Housing Standards Act (Article 5221f. Texas Civil Statutes). §684.001 (7) “Vehicle” includes any device in, on, or by which any person or property is or may be transported on a public roadway. The term includes an operable or inoperable automobile, truck, motor cycle, recreational vehicle, or trailer, but does not include a device moved by human power or used on a stationary rail or track.
Traffic- (Black’s Law Dictionary) 1. Commerce; trade; the sale or exchange of such things as merchandise, bills, and money. 2. The passing or exchange of goods or commodities from one person to another for an equivalent in goods or money. 3. People or things being transported along a route. 4. The passing to and fro of people, animals, vehicles, and vessels along a transportation route.
Transportation- (Black’s Law Dictionary) The movement of goods or persons from one place to another by a carrier.
Carrier- (Black’s Law Dictionary) An individual, organization (such as a railroad or an airline) that transports passengers or goods for a fee.
I do not engage in traffic or commerce on public highways or roadways, therefor by definition I do not “drive”, hence I am not required to contract with the State in order to do so.
In the past I have found it frustrating and pointless to try to explain this concept to so called law enforcement officers, and have realized that in order to prevent being detained along the roadside, and issued several citations for what would otherwise be considered traveling it would be to my benefit to have attached to my conveyance some sort of government issued identifier.
I do hereby make my request to be issued State Department tags for my private conveyance. If this is agreeable to the State Department please reply with instructions to,
John Quincy of the family Doe
Address
Use of federal zone zip-code is under duress, and only for postal convenience, and any attempt to claim use thereof as an adhesion contract is expressly denied.
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12-06-2007, 10:32 PM
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Worth a try but you most likely will get a no response or a letter saying that they don't give those for such circumstances.
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12-06-2007, 10:39 PM
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Nor can they.
The state can only do what a statute authorizes its agents to do for it.
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12-06-2007, 10:52 PM
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Your research is bad and in gross error.
Correct me if I am wrong but we are talking about Texas correct?
You cite first
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Motor vehicle- PC §28.01 (4), §30.01, §31.11 ( c), §32.34(a)(2), 501.002(14), §502.001, §503.001(10), §522.003 (21), §541.201 (11), §601.002 (5), §621.001 (5), §642.001 (1), §683.001 (4), §706.001 (5), §725.001 (3), §728.001 (2), V §4413(29c)(1) all definitions pertain to a “vehicle”.
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HOWEVER in Texas this citation controls the definition of motor vehicle when discussing registration.
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TITLE 7. VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC
SUBTITLE A. CERTIFICATES OF TITLE AND REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES
CHAPTER 502. REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES
SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS
§ 502.001. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
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(13) "Motor vehicle" means a vehicle that is
self-propelled.
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You then cite erroneously again
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Vehicle- PC §28.01 (4) “Vehicle” includes any device in, on, or by which any person or property is or may be propelled, moved, or drawn in the normal course of commerce or transportation.
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When the controlling definition is found here...
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TITLE 7. VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC
SUBTITLE A. CERTIFICATES OF TITLE AND REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES
CHAPTER 502. REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES
SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS
§ 502.001. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
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(24) "Vehicle" means a device in or by which a person
or property is or may be transported or drawn on a public highway,
other than a device used exclusively on stationary rails or tracks.
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See where you went wrong. You went to some weird part of the code and grabbed some other definition for vehicle and applied to a part of the code dealing with registration that already defined the term totally different than the other section.
Your paper is not sound in law or principle.
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12-26-2007, 05:59 PM
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Back to the drawing board for me I guess.
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01-22-2008, 03:03 PM
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I wonder if this would help
http://www.svpvril.com/vehicle.html
Manufacturer's Statement of Origin Vehicle Ownership
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01-24-2008, 11:16 PM
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Why do you want state issued tags? Isn't that an admission that you wish to be state regulated and acceed to their jurisdiction? Ain't gonna happen your way; their game, their court, their rules.
Structure your document where it is firmly established which jurisdiction you will be operating from. Don't argue codes, that's their game not yours. Establish that you have returned all statutory documentation; certificate of title, plates, etc., so that there is nothing that binds you to their sysytem. Unregister your vehicle. That is the key.
A registered vehicle is regulated by statute, an unregistered one is not. Make your own plates that say; PRIVATE, NOT FOR HIRE. Will this keep you out of court? Maybe, maybe not, but you will have better standing than if you had state registered plates.
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01-25-2008, 04:21 AM
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I like this tag:
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PRIVATE TRANSIT
(former) state title no. 'X'
INTERNATIONAL LAW
(sticker w/ exp date and ucc-207 or equiv.)
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But this may be analagous to property tax- we need to get the automobile out of the system altogether. I would find out the normal procedure to transfer the title to an overseas jurisdiction, 'out-of-state', so this is reflected in the record. But barring that, at least owner name and address overseas, or "abroad" (the land). Owner separate from driver.
(international mail c/o post location)
And then I still need to be able to sustain my position of :
foreign registered and licensed (just in case, better to have 2 good arguments...)
AND
'private transit'- not a 'vehicle', not a 'device used for transportation of outside quantities' ("persons or property")
This is interesting, because who is 'using' the device for transport here
The persons or property-owners being carried?
The owner of the vehicle to carry such items?
I use a public bus for transportation, the driver is just operating it. The owner of the bus might be using it as well, to engage in transport of persons (or property), which makes the bus a vehicle. If it is registered for use then there is implied consent to be treated as such.
Last edited by farmer_giles_of_ham : 01-25-2008 at 05:55 AM.
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01-25-2008, 09:29 AM
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I use my Dejure Plate no title no DL and no problems cop leaves me alone
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01-26-2008, 01:00 PM
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FBI Man,
Would you please provide a picture of your dejure plate.
Would you please profide some additional information, such as how long you have used the dejure plate, whether you purchased the car, new, without a title or used without a transfer of title, whether you or a trust owns the car, and anything else you might consider pertinent. Would you please tell us what state you spend most of your time in. Thank you for your assistance.
Joseph Sugarman, design@dream-home.com
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