Request for State Dept tags

[quasimodo]

Originally Posted by joseph sugarman

FBI Man,

Would you please provide a picture of your dejure plate.
Would you please profide some additional information, such as how long you have used the dejure plate, whether you purchased the car, new, without a title or used without a transfer of title, whether you or a trust owns the car, and anything else you might consider pertinent. Would you please tell us what state you spend most of your time in. Thank you for your assistance.

Joseph Sugarman, design@dream-home.com

I second that.
I have come to realize that there are basically two kinds of people in this world, those who want to be left alone, and those who won't leave them alone.
I place myself in the first.

[ThomPaine]

well, if it helps I third Joseph's last post. I have played around with some ideas for making my own 'tags' but havent come up with anything that I am 100% happy with yet.

If FBIMan has used this with success, maybe he is willing to share with the community.

Has anyone done this or something similar?

In Georgia, if you purchase a car from an individual, you get no drive out or paper tag, only 30 days to register and get a metal plate, during which time you have nothing. If stopped, one can easily show a purchase agreement or bill of sale and if during the 30 days, there are no problems. One also cannot make their own 'tag' saying tag applied for, private sale, or the like, as this draws unwanted attention from the po-po.. Ask me how I know...

Cheers,

Thom

[lazerwood]

Canceled post.

[ezrhythm]

The only group that I have seen that talks about de jure plates is here;
http://embark.to/sovereign-without-subject

A sample plate is attached.

Though they don't teach to just slap the plate on and start traveling. There is a process of creating a de jure record that is sent to the de jure county commissioner.

[ezrhythm]

I DO NOT recommend to just remove one's plates and begin to travel in an auto unless you are prepared to handle a seizure (stop), kidnapping (arrest), and theft (towing), with a de jure plate or not.

Because one says that they have been left alone doesn't mean that their next excursion will be without trials.
Not all agents of the de facto are savvy of the de jure government.

[ThomPaine]

I was thinking some along the lines of the special plates we have in the defacto system of Georgia. If one went to a certain college that logo is on the far left, words and numbers on the right. Same if you have a wildlife tag, etc.

On the left I would do a family crest or a personal seal of some kind, stating this is my private property, of which I cannot be deprived without compensation or due process of law. I have the unalienable right to use this property to travel freely so long as I dont interfere with anyone else's rights.

The private plate is for my personal use and to identify this car to other persons or foreign jurisdictions. Who knows there may be more than one white BMW on the road or more than one red Toyota SUV, even the same year and model as mine...;)

Will check out the posted link..

Cheers,

Thom

[gldskr]

Originally posted by ezrhthym
I DO NOT recommend to just remove one's plates and begin to travel in an auto unless you are prepared to handle a seizure (stop), kidnapping (arrest), and theft (towing), with a de jure plate or not.

Of course. The plate is not important, it is merely notice of your jurisdiction. You could just as well go without since the exercise of your right does not require it. It won't matter either way if you encounter an ignorant LEO.

What is important is proper documentation that the vehicle is unregistered. This includes:

Returning to the DMV the Certificate of Title (make a copy first) and the plates. These two items are state property which you no longer have use for. A Certificate of Title is equivalent to a title insurance policy and its sole purpose is to protect the lienholder, if any. It is not a title, that is the bill of sale. The copy of the COT is for your own use in case the legitimacy of the bill of sale is brought into question.

A concise affidavit stating the facts of your actions and a memorandum of law which authorizes you to do so. I would publish these two docs in the newspaper first and then the de jure county recorder, there are some counties that won't accept unauthorized docs.

Carry in your vehicle copies of the state COT, the bill of sale, the affidavit, the memorandum, the newspaper clippings and those from the recorder. From these docs there can be no doubt that your vehicle is not a motor vehicle required to be registered, but a private vehicle whose driver is exercising his fundamental right to travel in the normal conveyance of the day.

Having a drivers license is optional and doesn't affect your rights in a properly unregistered vehicle.

gldskr

[Dave.Nall]

I know this is kinda going off topic but has anyone had any luck with the sovereign's without subjects material? I followed it for awhile, but I never heard of anyone actually using it, just people creating their dejure record.

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by Dave.Nall

I know this is kinda going off topic but has anyone had any luck with the sovereign's without subjects material? I followed it for awhile, but I never heard of anyone actually using it, just people creating their dejure record.

I don't believe you are pulling this off topic because I believe FBIman is referring to is that he is using the Sovereign without subjects material/method.

They (Keith and Ed) had their pay-try-out seminar this weekend maybe someone from the seminar will have some new material

[quasimodo]

Originally Posted by gldskr

quasimodo

Why do you want state issued tags?

Some 5 odd years ago at a body shop here in Austin where I was working at that time I saw a pick-up truck pull up in front of my stall and I couldn't help but notice that it had a State Dept tag on the front bumper. I asked the man when he got out what the deal was with it and he explained that he was a lawyer, and sovereign. Now knowing more about law than I did then I fail to see how it is that he can make this claim, but none the less he stated that he was a free man not subject to taxation and that the tag was evidence of that so far as the police were concerned.
Then I met a woman with State Dept tags on her car. Again I quizzed her about the tags and she explained that she had payed for her car in silver coin, and again I heard the terms sovereign, and not subject to taxation.
This tells me that police officers recognize State Dept tags as off limits to their jurisdiction.
However, after reading what I have in the responses in this thread I believe now that I am thinking in the wrong direction, and I am now more confounded that I was when I made the first post.