Drivers License

[weishaupt1776]

If you want to walk the fence, the best way is to do "without prejudice". You better know how to back it up, though.

The DMV clerk won't allow it, so I would practice signing my name with w/o/p attached to the end of it

Then send a 3 stage default letter to the state DMV that has them agree with your restrictive endorsement

That is walking the fence, and I don't recommend it, as no one should be driving with a license, lest they be a for hire common carrier

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by rentiap

[b]Really?
No matter how you sign Huh?

If I were to sign the line.
Per (Signature however you sign),For STATE OF CALIFORNIA

rentiap,

I am quite sure the Dept. Public Safety/Motor Vehicles agent will not accept a signature which has been amended in that manner. Even if the original poster had the department issued identification card as proof of holding a STATE position.

Why? Because in so doing, you are claiming to be acting as and for the STATE OF XYZ at all times. But more importantly, you are making claim of assuming it's sovereign authority. This is quite different than signing without prejudice or all rights reserved. The government only has that authority as granted by the collective "people" of the state through implied consent as participants in the political process.

You and all sovereign rights come directly from God.

The original poster might, might be able to accomplish what you suggest if he were to be provided with a letter from his superior to the DPS/DMV agent authorizing his signature to be amended.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I remember a judge severely not liking this signature-

"LAST NAME, FIRST NAME"

He told me "no one signs like that"...guess he was right! Only corporations do.

Originally Posted by quasimodo:

To drive is to be engaged in commerce on public right of way.

but not necessarily "transportation"; that depends on if the device is used to "carry persons or property". What machine is used for is determinant, according to the legal definition.

[quasimodo]

Originally Posted by rentiap

Get out your law dictionary and look up the words
Per. And
For.

I think that will answer your questions.

Cheers,
Craig.

Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Pocket Edition

per
1 Through; by <the dissent, per Justice Thomas>. 2 For each; for every <55 miles per hour>. 3 Jargon. In accordance with the terms of; according to <per the contract>

Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition 1910

FOR
Fr. In French law. A tribunal. Le for interieur, the interior forum; the tribunal of conscience. Poth. Obl. pt. 1, c. 1, § 1, art. 3, § 4.

FOR
Instead of; on behalf of; in place of; as, where one signs a note or legal instrument "for" another, this formula importing agency or authority. Emerson v. Hat Mfg. Co., 12 Mass. 240, 7 Am. Dec. 66; Donovan v. Welch, 11 N. D. 113, 90 N. W. 262; Wilks V. Black, 2 East, 142.
During; throughout; for the period of; as, where a notice is required to be published "for" a certain number of weeks or months. Wilson v. Northwestern Mut. L. Ins. Co., 65 Fed. 39, 12 C. C. A. 505; Northrop v. Cooper, 23 Kan. 432.
In consideration for; as an equivalent for; in exchange for; as where property is agreed to be given "for" other property or "for" services. Norton v. Woodruff, 2 N. Y. 153; Duncan v. Franklin Tp., 43 N. J. Eq. 143, 10 Alt. 546.

I believe the key words in the definitions as;
(per) "Through"
(for) "Instead of; on behalf of; in place of; as, where one signs a note or legal instrument "for" another, this formula importing agency or authority."
OK I get it. Thank you for the clarification Craig.

Originally Posted by quasimodo

I feel confident that if I am mistaken on this I will soon be corrected.

At least I got something right LOL
Q

[Elect]

I've only been on this site for a couple days, but I'm going to assume everyone understands the trust that the DOL creates and places you under when you accept a DL...

The trust's name is your name... in ALL CAPS. Now, what if instead of signing my name as I normally would, instead I print my name exactly the same way they do, IN ALL CAPS.

Technically, then, I could say, "Well officer, I have this license here, but I have to warn you that it isn't a real person but only a trust created by the state. As you can see, the trust's signature and mine differ. Fact is, I was given this card by the DOL to hold for the trust (since, again, a trust is only a legal fiction). The picture looks like me, but obviously a trust (being a legal fiction and not a real person) doesn't have a picture, so... obviously you can write a ticket to the trust, but it has no money to pay the fine. If you would sign a release, I'd be more than happy to let you have this piece of gov't property back..."

Any ideas whether it would be workable?

[quasimodo]

Sounds good but I think you're giving too much credit to the intellectual capacity of the cop. You might as well be speaking a foreign language to him, lol which I suppose you would be.
Remember that caps are generally dumb as a stump. It's a prerequisite for acceptance into the academy.

[Elect]

Originally Posted by quasimodo

Sounds good but I think you're giving too much credit to the intellectual capacity of the cop. You might as well be speaking a foreign language to him, lol which I suppose you would be.
Remember that caps are generally dumb as a stump. It's a prerequisite for acceptance into the academy.

"Here card. This not me. You go away. Ugh."

;-)

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by Elect

I've only been on this site for a couple days, but I'm going to assume everyone understands the trust that the DOL creates and places you under when you accept a DL...

The trust's name is your name... in ALL CAPS. Now, what if instead of signing my name as I normally would, instead I print my name exactly the same way they do, IN ALL CAPS.

Technically, then, I could say, "Well officer, I have this license here, but I have to warn you that it isn't a real person but only a trust created by the state. As you can see, the trust's signature and mine differ. Fact is, I was given this card by the DOL to hold for the trust (since, again, a trust is only a legal fiction). The picture looks like me, but obviously a trust (being a legal fiction and not a real person) doesn't have a picture, so... obviously you can write a ticket to the trust, but it has no money to pay the fine. If you would sign a release, I'd be more than happy to let you have this piece of gov't property back..."

Any ideas whether it would be workable?

Bills of Exchange Act
PART II: BILLS OF EXCHANGE
Acceptance

Acceptance
34. (1) The acceptance of a bill is the signification by the drawee of his assent to the order of the drawer.


Drawee’s name wrong
(2) Where in a bill the drawee is wrongly designated or his name is misspelt, he may accept the bill as therein described, adding, if he thinks fit, his proper signature or he may accept by his proper signature.

R.S., c. B-5, s. 35.

http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/b-4/

[freemyggle]

www.barefootsworld.net

[freemyggle]

Originally Posted by Elect

Ok, question for you... I have a county job that requires a valid drivers license. In our last few Jural Society meetings it has been brought out that some people have been restricting their signatures on their drivers licenses. When they sign the card that places their signature on their DL they put a note in fine print like, "All Rights Reserved", "Not a Contractual Endorsement", etc.

Any thoughts? I'm going to be renewing mine ASAP before they add all the REAL ID garbage to ours, and I want to reserve as many rights as I can... without complications. I'm not sure how much the DOL pays attention to people's signatures and I don't want them to notice my additions and get tipped off...

Like I said, any ideas? Do additions like this even make a difference? Thanks in advance.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_ju...onnection.html Alledged words of Howard Freeman