Drivers License

[Elect]

Ok, question for you... I have a county job that requires a valid drivers license. In our last few Jural Society meetings it has been brought out that some people have been restricting their signatures on their drivers licenses. When they sign the card that places their signature on their DL they put a note in fine print like, "All Rights Reserved", "Not a Contractual Endorsement", etc.

Any thoughts? I'm going to be renewing mine ASAP before they add all the REAL ID garbage to ours, and I want to reserve as many rights as I can... without complications. I'm not sure how much the DOL pays attention to people's signatures and I don't want them to notice my additions and get tipped off...

Like I said, any ideas? Do additions like this even make a difference? Thanks in advance.

[quasimodo]

A license, or permit of any kind issued by the State is an adhesion contract no matter what you attach to your signature(sic).
The signature(sic) attachment prevents a government agency from monetizing your unique identifier (name) and has no effect on the contract itself.
Some key words;
Submit
Application
Registration
Driver

To submit is to bow to the will of another.
To apply is to plead, or beg.
To register is to relinquish all possessory control.
To drive is to be engaged in commerce on public right of way.

In summery, when you “submit” an “application” to “register” yourself as a “driver” you have bowed to the will of the State to beg them to assume control of your god given right to travel, and you are admitting to being engaged, or have the intent to engage in commerce on public right of way.
The contractual agreement is still there.

I feel confident that if I am mistaken on this I will soon be corrected.
Q

[rentiap]

Really?
No matter how you sign Huh?

If I were to sign the line.
Per (Signature however you sign),For STATE OF CALIFORNIA

And on the application the name put on the line for name is the all cap name spelled exactly as is on the certificate of live birth, that I am the recipient bearer of that they demand that you present to apply for a license.
Who is bound to that contract/agreement?

Originally Posted by quasimodo

A license, or permit of any kind issued by the State is an adhesion contract no matter what you attach to your signature(sic).
The signature(sic) attachment prevents a government agency from monetizing your unique identifier (name) and has no effect on the contract itself.
Some key words;
Submit
Application
Registration
Driver

To submit is to bow to the will of another.
To apply is to plead, or beg.
To register is to relinquish all possessory control.
To drive is to be engaged in commerce on public right of way.

In summery, when you “submit” an “application” to “register” yourself as a “driver” you have bowed to the will of the State to beg them to assume control of your god given right to travel, and you are admitting to being engaged, or have the intent to engage in commerce on public right of way.
The contractual agreement is still there.

I feel confident that if I am mistaken on this I will soon be corrected.
Q

[ezrhythm]

I have read on these forums that "Without Prejudice" as your signature on the license has had an effect.
It was said that after the officer walked back to his car with the license to call it in, he then walked back and threw the license through the window, said, "Have a nice day.", got back in his car and left.

I believe the thread is titled, "Without Prejudice Works".

[quasimodo]

Originally Posted by rentiap

Really?
No matter how you sign Huh?

If I were to sign the line.
Per (Signature however you sign),For STATE OF CALIFORNIA

And on the application the name put on the line for name is the all cap name spelled exactly as is on the certificate of live birth, that I am the recipient bearer of that they demand that you present to apply for a license.
Who is bound to that contract/agreement?

You would be wouldn't you?
By signing you agree to stand in place of the strawman.
Or, does the statement "For STATE OF CALIFORNIA" nullify that?

[ezrhythm]

Originally Posted by rentiap

Per (Signature however you sign),For STATE OF CALIFORNIA

That's classic!!!

...as STATE OF CALIFORNIA couldn't be a plaintiff/defendant against itself!

BEAUTIFUL!!!

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by quasimodo

You would be wouldn't you?
By signing you agree to stand in place of the strawman.
Or, does the statement "For STATE OF CALIFORNIA" nullify that?

Get out your law dictionary and look up the words
Per. And
For.

I think that will answer your questions.

Cheers,
Craig.

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by ezrhythm

That's classic!!!

...as STATE OF CALIFORNIA couldn't be a plaintiff/defendant against itself!

BEAUTIFUL!!!

Yeah, Now who's bound to that contract/agreement wink wink

[rentiap]

Bills of Exchange Act
PART II: BILLS OF EXCHANGE
Liabilities of Parties

Trade-name or assumed name
131. (1) Where a person signs a bill in a trade-name or assumed name, he is liable thereon as if he had signed it in his own name.



Firm name
(2) The signature of the name of a firm is equivalent to the signature, by the person so signing, of the names of all persons liable as partners in that firm.

R.S., c. B-5, s. 132.

http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/b-4/

[quasimodo]

Originally Posted by ezrhythm

I believe the thread is titled, "Without Prejudice Works".

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/ucc/90...rejudice+Works

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/citize...rejudice+Works

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/succes...rejudice+Works

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/court/...rejudice+Works