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Old 04-14-2008, 04:15 PM
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When I served on the Grand Jury for a 3 month term .. we (as the jury) knocked the DA off his throne a number of times. The problem is with the presentment to the GJ it is a one sided presentment from the prosecution only. It is the burden of the GJ to ask questions and then mediate with the other members to return a majority vote. The presentments are designed to make it look to the GJ that it is a clear cut case of "guilty as charged".. they do not offer any information that would lead you to believe otherwise.

One case we had the Sheriff was serving a warrent on a man at an address that he was "supposedly living at". When they knocked on the door and discovered that the man that the warrent was for was not living there, nor had he ever been.. they still decided to arrest and charge the homeowner with possession w/intent to distribute MJ because he had 1 1/4 oz bag and a bong on his coffee table in plain view. It was up to me (as foreman) to ask.. "Did he have scales?" [Uh, NO], "Did he have a prior record?" [Uh, NO], "Was the MJ in pre-packaged weighed amounts intended for sale?", [Uh-NO], "Were there any other types of narcotics found?", [Uh-NO], "Did the man present any resistance to the arrest", [Uh-NO]..

Once the Judge, DA and Cops left for us to deliberate.. I gave a short speech to the other members, we voted and let the man go.. free and clear. Needless to say the DA and cops were pissed that they couldn't charge this man in a felony as they were hoping. He was just an old hippie who didn't bother anyone and enjoyed partaking in a little toke now and then in the privacy of his own home.. that was his right.

Many GJ's will just go with the flow... when I was foreman I was a real thorn. I even intitiated several investigations at the county jails, schools and administrative budgets. We (as the Jury) wrote official recommendations based on our investigations that were published in the local paper.

Needless to say they were glad when our term was up. .. and the next group of sheeple came in.

..J
I am delighted to hear of your experience as part of a Grand Jury, we certainly need more people like you.

It is my understanding that sometime the Grand Jury members are recruited off of the streets, and one of the selling points is that the recruits will get to stay in a hotel while they serve, this is often used during the winter months. If this is the case, you can see why most cases pass the Grand Jury step without slowing down. I am sure there are a number of tactics that may be utilized to raise the percentage of cases that get approved for trial. The justice system is a business, people get work and promotions based on successful cases that they bring, don’t they?
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Old 04-14-2008, 06:32 PM
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...maybe lawpuppy does not have the mental faculties to know what I was asking?

Doesn't seem like it. He made a big ol' post after yours that didn't answer a thing.
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Old 04-15-2008, 11:46 AM
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Doesn't seem like it. He made a big ol' post after yours that didn't answer a thing.

Yep, that is what attorn-eys are best at, non-responsive responses. That is what the whole system is about. When they do not want to answer with substance (truth) just declare it frivolous, or merely state you're a nutjob or somehow loony. Quatloser types are good at that. It's what keeps them in business. Heck, truth be known the shysters would be out of business. Keeping the illusions going lines their pocket. Talk about kool-aide drinkers!!! ROFLMAO!!
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:17 PM
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When they do not want to answer with substance (truth) just declare it frivolous, or merely state you're a nutjob or somehow loony. Quatloser types are good at that. It's what keeps them in business. Heck, truth be known the shysters would be out of business.

If even half of the imbecilic legal theories posted on Sui Juris were valid, lawyers would make a fortune using them. But the plain fact is, they don't work for a very simple reason: they have no basis in the law but are instead the products of misguided people who think that just because they can read a legal dictionary they are somehow experts on the law. And when asked why no court or legal scholar agrees with them, and why people who have tried to use these absurd theories get slammed by the courts, the paranoid response is automatic: "It's the corrupt system."

So go ahead and file UCC-1's against the judge. Go ahead and write "Refused for Cause" on the summons issued in a lawsuit filed against you. Go ahead and type "all rights reserved" on your toilet paper. Heck, go ahead and hop up and down on one foot on your credit card bill while spelling "Rumpelstiltskin" backwards. They're all equally effective.
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:48 PM
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Go ahead and correct your status do a search on your true name have fun - I will never look back! Thank you SuiJuris members those of you... you know whom you are. Life goes on after the corporation! Some of us do not use or support private credit (Banking) or credit cards and life is simple and sweet and what a sweet sweet life it is! The land of milk and honey as promised.

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Old 04-15-2008, 02:37 PM
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So go ahead and file UCC-1's against the judge. Go ahead and write "Refused for Cause" on the summons issued in a lawsuit filed against you. Go ahead and type "all rights reserved" on your toilet paper. Heck, go ahead and hop up and down on one foot on your credit card bill while spelling "Rumpelstiltskin" backwards. They're all equally effective.

Thank You for the permission. Now please contribute with posts to the theme of this site. Sui Juris.
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Old 04-15-2008, 03:06 PM
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Go ahead and correct your status do a search on your true name have fun - I will never look back! Thank you SuiJuris members those of you... you know whom you are. Life goes on after the corporation! Some of us do not use or support private credit (Banking) or credit cards and life is simple and sweet and what a sweet sweet life it is! The land of milk and honey as promised.

http://medicolegal.tripod.com/speedlimits.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/travel.htm

Good start. I am certain that David and others will have more vital information to relate to you this regard.
More people should follow suit.. then pretty soon, the attorners would get the message.

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