passport?

what type of passport is needed to travel around the states and the islands freely? i heard someone say that upon arrival @ the borders one should (if your not a u.s citizen) state that your an american national if your from the continent of america! how true is this and what is a valid type of passport to travel on regardless of where your from? [example i have a p type passport]!

[ezrhythm]

I read somewhere, wish I could remember the source, that if you do not have a passport that you will be directed to "secondary" where you are interviewed (could take up to a couple hours) but eventually are let back in.

[protrust]

For further evidence of successfully using your passport instead of a driver's license check US V FOX...remember, no DL can be on record for this to be successful.

[Shoonra]

Please provide the citation for US v. Fox.

This claim puzzles me; a passport can be used to prove citizenship and identity but how can it prove fitness to drive or compliance with whatever the state law requires for liability insurance?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

They have to let you in if you are American, it's just that simple.

[protrust]

Let's stick to the issue. The issue is whether or not a passport can be used for traveling/driving instead of a DL...NOT whether having one make one a competent driver anymore than obtaining a license to drive. Following your logic, everyone that possesses a DL is fully competent on our roads. We all know that having a DL DOES NOT make a competent, skilled and safe driver. By the way, liability insurance is easily obtained for those that do not have license as long as they have alternate ID (yes, such as passport) You are usually entered into the insurance system as a "foreign national," using NO ss# number at all. Myself, as well as several others in Georgia have already done the same. By the way, the cite for US v Fox: United States District Court ND Texas Dallas Division. US v Robert James Fox, NO. CR3-90-0288-H. He is an interesting fellow...had the opportunity to meet him several years ago in ATL in the nineties.

[Shoonra]

Originally Posted by protrust

By the way, the cite for US v Fox: United States District Court ND Texas Dallas Division. US v Robert James Fox, NO. CR3-90-0288-H.

The citation for the case is U.S. v. Fox (ND Tex 1991) 766 F.Supp 569. And it didn't involve using a passport as a substitute for a DL. It involved the question of whether possession of one of those homebrew "Kingdom of Heaven" passports was a criminal offense as a "counterfeit foreign passport" (the court decided that, since the homebrew passport didn't resemble a real one and was completely ineffectual, having it was no more a criminal offense than having Monopoly money). Incidentally, Fox was a Canadian, but at the time a Canadian passport was not required to travel into the US.

[ThomPaine]

thanks for the five good posts in this thread. I will leave it up to the readers to determine which two dont belong...LOL

Protrust, I would be interested to know what type of identification you provided to an insurance company, how you went about the process, how the name was written on the ID, etc. IF you claim that you are a 'foreigner' does the ins co want to see foreign ID like a DL from another country or a PP??

I will probably just move all my stuff into the name of a trust or LLC (foreign) soon, so this could be beneficial. I am in Atlanta, so maybe we could chat sometime..

EDIT: I can understand the part about getting back in to america if you can somehow show or prove that you are american, but what about travelling into other countries or states without an official PP? I know some members here use WSA(?) docs...

THanks,

Thom

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by protrust

Let's stick to the issue. The issue is whether or not a passport can be used for traveling/driving instead of a DL...NOT whether having one make one a competent driver anymore than obtaining a license to drive. Following your logic, everyone that possesses a DL is fully competent on our roads. We all know that having a DL DOES NOT make a competent, skilled and safe driver. By the way, liability insurance is easily obtained for those that do not have license as long as they have alternate ID (yes, such as passport) You are usually entered into the insurance system as a "foreign national," using NO ss# number at all. Myself, as well as several others in Georgia have already done the same. By the way, the cite for US v Fox: United States District Court ND Texas Dallas Division. US v Robert James Fox, NO. CR3-90-0288-H. He is an interesting fellow...had the opportunity to meet him several years ago in ATL in the nineties.

If you are trying to detach yourself from adhesion contracts, you should avoid any type of limited liability, as that is another benefit/privilege.
For insurance of any type, you should lodge a bond, possibly with your states secretary of state.
This can be for anything from health cover, auto accidents, bonding for a judicial officer, the whole deal.

This is THE way in my opinion. Before you ask, I am working on it.

[mikah2k]

Read for yourself. See the attachment.

Originally Posted by US vs Fox

Defendant was charged with violating statute prohibiting
possession and attempt to use document prescribed by
statute and regulation for entry into and evidence of
authorized stay in the United States. Defendant moved to
dismiss. The District court, Sanders, Chief Judge, held that
defendant did not violate statute by presenting to police
officer when stopped for traffic violation an alleged
"diplomatic passport" from a nonexistent country, as
passports were not documents required to be presented in
order to enter the country.

Motion to dismiss granted.