Know Your Constitution...

[Shoonra]

Is this guy trying to pretend that there was a psychopathic American colonel, like Col. Kurz in the movie (Marlon Brando) and Mister Kurz in the 1899 book, and that he was sent on a secret mission to kill him??? Can he name the real Col. Kurz then??

Y'know, I've met no end of fake heroes of Vietnam and Iraq. But you'd think they'd at least know better than to claim to have done something KNOWN to be fiction from the previous century.

[trooper2ls]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Is this guy trying to pretend that there was a psychopathic American colonel, like Col. Kurz in the movie (Marlon Brando) and Mister Kurz in the 1899 book, and that he was sent on a secret mission to kill him??? Can he name the real Col. Kurz then??

Y'know, I've met no end of fake heroes of Vietnam and Iraq. But you'd think they'd at least know better than to claim to have done something KNOWN to be fiction from the previous century.

If you lived in a sewer for a couple of years, were constantly shot at, witnessed untold horrors first hand.. you may not be "all there" either.

I know a number of veterans from the first gulf war and one of them showed me pictures that he took in Kuwait. It was of infant babies that were "disposed of" in a dumpster behind a hospital. The discovery was made when their unit liberated the area. I knew this person before he served and he is not the same after that experience.

It is all too easy to dismiss the horrors sitting in our comfortable homes and offices and reading books about it or watching videos or movies about it.. but can you imagine finding a bunch of dead babies in a dumpster that were half rotted away? That is enough to f!!k up anybody in my opinion.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

..J

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Is this guy trying to pretend that there was a psychopathic American colonel, like Col. Kurz in the movie (Marlon Brando) and Mister Kurz in the 1899 book, and that he was sent on a secret mission to kill him??? Can he name the real Col. Kurz then??

Y'know, I've met no end of fake heroes of Vietnam and Iraq. But you'd think they'd at least know better than to claim to have done something KNOWN to be fiction from the previous century.

Maybe he's thinking of the time someone showed him DiM's psychological evaluation and he kept murmuring, "The horror, the horror..."

[Shoonra]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

If you lived in a sewer for a couple of years, were constantly shot at, witnessed untold horrors first hand.. you may not be "all there" either.

So, are you conceding that Carl Miller is a nut and a liar .. to the point where he claims to be fictional characters!.?
Then what makes you think his amateur legal notions are reliable?


By the way, you didn't bother to identify your cousin, the "real estate magnet" (magnate?) who supposedly got advance warning of the WTC attack. Or the name of his company. Or why he was warned when thousands of others -- including some people of considerable wealth and influence -- weren't.

[trooper2ls]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

So, are you conceding that Carl Miller is a nut and a liar .. to the point where he claims to be fictional characters!.?
Then what makes you think his amateur legal notions are reliable?

I'm not endorsing Miller... no he doesn't seem to be "all there" .. that is one point I think we agree on.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

By the way, you didn't bother to identify your cousin, the "real estate magnet" (magnate?) who supposedly got advance warning of the WTC attack. Or the name of his company. Or why he was warned when thousands of others -- including some people of considerable wealth and influence -- weren't.

Lenny Cook, Jr. (little Lenny) was my uncle not my cousin. He died 2 years ago of cancer. Jack Cleary, Jr. (my cousin) is the one who showed up at the Logan airport and was told that his flight to California was cancelled.

Why was uncle Lenny told to vacate? I don't know and he never said. He only stated at a family reunion about 2 years after the WTC event that he was lucky that he was "advised" to relocate just prior to the event. He didn't elaborate. It could have been a coincidence or perhaps it was because he was the son-in-law of Lawrence Owen Ross, treasurer of the First Boston Corporation till 1978 who was very heavilly affiliated with many international banks. Who knows? I wasn't directly involved so I can only speculate. Lenny is dead now so it is too late to call and ask him.

Jack Cleary, Jr. was from my dad's side of the family.. so he was not from any wealth or power.. just an average American Joe from Boston.

..J

[yebliker]

Actually, it says that Apocalypse Now is based on a certain group of soldiers in Vietnam, a group that Miller belonged to. When Coppola adapted the movie, he updated it to a familiar setting. Since Miller was a part of Apache, and Apache was in the movie, THERE'S THE CONNECTION. He is not claiming to be a fictional character, or in a movie, or any of that. Before you dismiss the man, make sure you have the personal powers of discernment to be certain.
-Yebliker

[Tigron-X]

Shoonra, attacking the man doesn't prove him wrong or unreliable. You are speculating his mental health, and further assuming his current mental health is enough to discredit him. (I am not denying or admitting that he has mental health issues.) You are also assuming he wrote that introduction. You are also assuming your interpretation of that introduciton is spot on.

Furthermore, one's mental health does not discredit a man. John Forbes Nash, Jr received the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1994, however, he was sent to the mental hospital in 1959 for schizophrenia. Why would John Nash's work be so revered when he was found to have mental health issues? Simply because mental health does not prove facts to be wrong.

So how about you stop attacking the man and instead address his arguments, unless you have definitive proof produced by a psychological expert that states that the man is mentally incapable of pressing his rights with respect to the law of the land and showing others how to do the same. Because, it is quite evident that the man can produce a coherent argument in accordance to the law of the land. However, it appears as you're incapable of producing a coherent counter argument and instead result to hitting below the belt with speculation of one's mental health. :\

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[Livefire]

Tigron,

The in hominem attacks are a result of Shoonra's inability to
refute anything Miller would have to say about Constitutional law. Remember, he is a librarian and not a practicing attorney. Gotta ask yourself why! Senior attorneys usually head up law firms or get themselves elected or appointed to the bench. Im sure the money is a whole better in those areas. When was the last time Mr Sussman was published in a peer reviewed journal?? I hope they read a whole lot better than his articles on that ADL website! :-)

[Shoonra]

Originally Posted by yebliker

Actually, it says that Apocalypse Now is based on a certain group of soldiers in Vietnam, a group that Miller belonged to........

Which is not the way Miller claimed it. In fact, Millers's claims are so delusional that I wonder if he was in Vietnam to begin with.

But I can give you a similar story. In 1949 John Wayne made one of his most memorable movies, Sands of Iwo Jima, in which he played a Marine tactical sgt named Stryker. After the movie was a big success he was sued by some guy named Stryker. Turns out this Mr Stryker had also accepted an invitation from the US Marine Corps to participate in the assault on Iwo Jima. He wasn't a Marine sergeant, he did not do any of the things that John Wayne's character did in the movie, and he didn't do anything at Iwo Jima that 4000 other guys similarly dressed weren't also doing that day. It was just that, out of those 4000 guys, his name was the same as the name of John Wayne's character, so he thought he was entitled to a free million dollars or so.