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Old 01-12-2008, 10:39 AM
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Chertoff unveils new rules for driver's licenses

Chertoff unveils new rules for driver's licenses
By Donna Leinwand, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — U.S. residents born after Dec. 1, 1964, will need to have new Homeland Security-approved drivers licenses by Dec. 1, 2014, if they want to use their ID to board an airplane or enter a federal building, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Friday.

Older drivers will have until 2017, he said.

The new rules do not require states to issue the new identification cards, but residents of states that do not participate will not be able to use their driver's licenses as proof of identity at federal agencies.

States that need more time to comply with the new rules must apply for a waiver if they want their licenses to remain valid after May 2008.

Congress directed Homeland Security to devise the new rules as part of the Real ID Act, passed in 2005.

Congress was responding to the 9/11 Commission Report, which identified weaknesses in national security that allowed the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001.

The Commission urged Congress to set nationwide standards for identification documents.

Chertoff says the new rules will make it harder for terrorists to slip past security checks, curb illegal immigration and reduce identity theft.

The rules prohibit states from issuing the new secure license to illegal immigrants.

States may issue other forms of identification to illegal immigrants, but they will not be valid for federal security use. "This kind of identification gives us a tremendous tool in preventing dangerous people from getting on airplanes or getting into federal buildings," Chertoff says. "Second, secure identification happens to be a very good way to prevent illegal immigrants from pretending to be American citizens so they can work illegally in this country."

To comply with the new rules, states must design licenses that include embedded security features set by Homeland Security and digital photographs.

Personal data, such as Social Security numbers and immigration status, will be checked against federal databases to root out fraud.

Chertoff says his department reviewed more than 21,000 comments from citizens, states and organizations before finalizing the rules.

Some civil liberties groups, such as the American Civil Liberties Union, have opposed national standards as a violation of privacy.

States have complained that the federal rules will be costly and difficult to implement and 17 states have passed legislation objecting to the REAL ID Act.

The new ID program "will not only lead to long lines at every DMV across the country, it will impose a massive unfunded mandate on state governments while offering absolutely no federal privacy protections to our citizens," says Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who has introduced legislation that would repeal the driver's license provision. "It is difficult to think this is anything but the first, big step toward a national identification card."

Homeland Security estimates say revamping drivers licenses nationwide will cost states $3.9 billion.
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Old 01-12-2008, 11:03 AM
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That's right folks, just keep "redeeming the strawman" with UCC forms

Yeah, that secret account will really help you with this one

You think Ron Paul can save you from this one?

Keep writing your congressman

Keep focused on how much free stuff you can get with debt elimination

Keep code pleading about a jay-walking ticket

Nahhh, that status correction / state national stuff is just a bunch of crap


So, lemme guess, it's the strawman's biometric data on the Homeland security cards, huh?

Anyway, LB Bork and state nationals are currently forming a database for those who have corrected their nationality so that we can interface with the insurgent's databases, in order to travel with our State National ID

All you lone rangers out there who think you have it figured out, may indeed be able to handle things on an individual basis, no doubt - but you are missing out on the big picture as far as developing a system on a mass scale.

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Check it out if you really want to give it your best effort in developing the dejure body politic and learn THE LAW rather than argue with a bunch of debt-torneys about a credit card in 15 USC
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Old 01-12-2008, 07:17 PM
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Maine is one of the 11 states resisting this.

They'll tax us to death so that they can secure us to death, and otherwise care for us to death. Remember though, it's all for our own good!

Weis, do you really think they'll allow even 'de jure' 'sovereigns' folk to board a plane without an ID? These guys mean business.

WHERE IS THE LINE. Show me the line. WHAT is it going to take for us to stand united against this bullpoop?!??! A few brave folk will stand against this and they will just send them to prison. If we keep undermining our greatest asset (our numbers) we will pay dearly.
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Old 01-12-2008, 08:37 PM
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We do a priori notice w/ relevant points of law to the right agencies

It takes more people who want to correct their status and go for it

I am currently addressing DHS on this very issue just before Akira posted this article
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:10 AM
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When true totalitarian Fascism takes over this Nation, no amount of affidavits, declaration of de jure status will matter to N.W.O. enforcers. Can you imagine a Jew in Germany during Hilter's time who has papers saying that he is exempt from their totalitarian control because of his de jure status?

That's where we are headed, unless the People rises up and kick the NEOCONS and the CFRs cronies out of this country.

I once encountered a police officer who frankly told me that their job is to enforce 'policies' and do what they are told to. ( I think he kind of knew what was going on) That they are not trained to interpret the Law but to enforce what ever they are told to enforce. They're even told that those who believe and obey the Constitution are dangerous radicals!!! That's scary!

I hate to admit it but we have been conquered by the bankers and lawyers(BAR). The bankers and lawyers are in control of this country - not the People. The lawyers with all their 'slippery' legal words write all the codes, rules, regulations and policies NOT the People. The bankers (Rothschilds, Rockefellers etc) control the monetary system. And these guys will pay anybody to carry out their dirty deeds.

A small of group of de jure state nationals won't cut it under a totalitarian/martial law system.

We need a major movement in the millions. Now if you tell me that LB has millions of 'state nationals' in his database then that's one thing.

If LB wants to gain momentum with his 'state nationals' he should do a lot more than sell his Red Amendment book by mail order to those few who visit his website.

I have total respect for LB and his work but more needs to be done - a lot more - to truly restore our Constitutional Republic(s) back.

People like Ron Paul who has the courage to tell it like it is in front of the NEOCONs faces on national TV, the internet (youtube etc.) is getting the People to Wake up and to TAKE ACTION! From what I gather he is gaining a lot of followers/supporters from all over, even outside this country.

As a result of Ron Paul, the People are becoming aware of issues such as the National ID, the North American Union, the Federal Reserve, Habeas Corpus, the Bill of Rights, illegal Wars, Social Security, corrupt legal system etc.

I am even surprise to see the younger supporters of Ron Paul becoming aware of these issues.

That's what we need - national awareness by the millions and a movement that will truly impact our future for the better.

I love this country but unfortunately as Ron Paul said recently, "we have lost our way."

It's time to make America great again.

And the only way that will happen is if the People take this country back from the NEOCONS and the C.F.R.s (or whatever else they call themselves) who are now currently running this country and enslaving it's People.

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Old 01-13-2008, 08:21 AM
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When true totalitarian Fascism takes over this Nation, no amount of affidavits, declaration of de jure status will matter to N.W.O. enforcers. Can you imagine a Jew in Germany during Hilter's time who has papers saying that he is exempt from their totalitarian control because of his de jure status?

Exactly, when you have people that are afraid of doing it, or don't want to take the time to study why its the right thing to do, you are left with a few people doing it

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I hate to admit it but we have been conquered by the bankers and lawyers(BAR). The bankers and lawyers are in control of this country - not the People. The lawyers with all their 'slippery' legal words write all the codes, rules, regulations and policies NOT the People. The bankers (Rothschilds, Rockefellers etc) control the monetary system. And these guys will pay anybody to carry out their dirty deeds.

A small of group of de jure state nationals won't cut it under a totalitarian/martial law system.

And we will remain a small group as long as there are people in the plane afraid to put on a parachute and say to each other "You jump first".

The PTB has a citizenship contract and are acting defacto to enforce it

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We need a major movement in the millions. Now if you tell me that LB has millions of 'state nationals' in his database then that's one thing.

If LB wants to gain momentum with his 'state nationals' he should do a lot more than sell his Red Amendment book by mail order to those few who visit his website.

I have total respect for LB and his work but more needs to be done - a lot more - to truly restore our Constitutional Republic(s) back.

We are setting up everything for a mass amount of people. If you have millions of people waiting for other millions of people, you are left with a fruitless circular reasoning

As long as the "millions" don't correct their status, they are FED property and the PTB can "justify" on paper why they can be shut down under the color of law

As long as Millions of "patriots" are UNWILLING to forgo SS benefits, stocks, bonds, 401 K's, equity index annuities, money markets, yet who still want to argue about how bad the Federal reserve is, you are left with a bunch of half breeds
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You have no right to board someone else's plane.

Did I claim that that was a right, Pure Trust?

I get your point though. At the same time, those planes, to my knowledge, aren't government property. So why are they telling the airlines that even though I agree to pay for a ride on their plane they must refuse my money because I won't present them with the government's special ID card?

If all it takes is not having an ID card to keep me out of a courtroom or federal prison I will gladly burn any card they mail me. Heck, I might not even receive the card if I can't even get into the POST OFFICE!

The REAL ID looks and sounds all fine and dandy now but what happens when that changes? What happens when they start requiring you to present your ID when making purchases of any kind? A cardless person wouldn't be able to but groceries!

It's yet another form of control.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:56 PM
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acquire some land, patent it and grow your own groceries, its better for you anyway..

I see Weis' point about getting more 'people' involved. Unfortunately, and I hope I am wrong, I dont think it will happen. We have lost our way and our balls. The members of this board and some others may be willling to fight or remove themselves from the system, but even if the masses are informed, they will not take the leap to be free.

We may see in our lifetime, a fleeing of these united states to other states/countries/nations who are less tyrannical.

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We may see in our lifetime, a fleeing of these united states to other states/countries/nations who are less tyrannical.
I think we're seeing such an exodus already.

My concern is, if the US falls, there's nothing else left to keep the rest of the planet from falling into 1,000 years of tyranny and darkness.
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Concerning Sirrah Chertoff, it may interest readers to know that he may have shielded from criminal prosecution a former client suspected by law enforcement of having funneled millions of dollars directly from Osama bin Laden to various terrorist groups around the world while he (Chertoff) was in charge of the USG's 9/11 investigation.

Some interesting facts concerning the Egyptian-born Dr. Magdy el-Amir, a prominent New Jersey neurologist, long-time friend of Michael Chertoff and a man who is at the center of a range of various terrorist intrigues emanating from Jersey City, NJ:

* El-Amir gave $$ to Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, one of the conspirators involved in the 1993 WTC bombing;
* His brother Mohammed, while in Cairo, was caught on tape attempting to buy weapons from an American undercover agent for Islamic militant groups;
* Before being arrested in a terrorist deal involving oil and heroin for guns and training, arms smuggler Diaa Moshen was paid at least $5,000 by one of Dr. El-Amir's companies, as reported by NBC Dateline;
* According to a foreign intelligence report made available to the Chairman of the House International Committee, el-Amir's HMO was suspected by law enforcement of being used to funnel $$ provided by OBL to finance various "terrorist" activities around the world;
* According to a lawsuit filed shortly before the State of New Jersey took over his failing HMO, el-Amir "caused more than $5.7 million to be paid by wire transfers to unknown parties";

El-Amir was further involved in an HMO scam that bilked investors of more than $45 million. Once his HMO house of cards began to fall apart, el-Amir went straight to the top criminal defense attorney he could afford: Michael Chertoff. As the Bergen Record reported on June 19, 2000:

“New Jersey is home to about 65,000 lawyers, some of whom are quite good at what they do. But if the State had a First Lawyer, or a Lawyer Laureate, it just might be Michael Chertoff.”

“His counsel is sought by public corporations, politicians, government agencies, and high-profile defendants.”
“Columbia/HCA, the health care consortium .. is the ninth-largest employer in the United States .. As the lead attorney for Columbia, Chertoff negotiated a partial settlement of the case in May for about $745 million.


El-Amir's entire net worth, when he contacted Chertoff, was a meager $760k... not chump change, to be sure, but not exactly a member of even the Millionaire's Club and strange indeed that a man of such (relatively) modest means could command the legal counsel of NJ's top criminal defender.. However he contracted Chertoff's services, Chertoff was worth even dime he paid: el-Amir got off the hook w/o facing any criminal prosecution.

Getting back to OBL, according to a foreign intelligence report obtained by NBC Dateline in the fall of 2004, and which was given to a senior member of Congress -- Ben Gilman -- back in 1998 when he was chairman of the House International Relations Committee, el-Amir has had financial ties w/ OBL going back for many, many years. The report alleges that an HMO owned by el-Amir was "funded by bin Laden" and that in turn el-Amir was skimming money from the HMO so as to finance "terrorist activities." According to sources close to the investigation, $15 million remains unaccounted for in the shambles of el-Amir's HMO. Where did the $$ go? Dateline found that at least some went into hard-to-trace offshore bank accounts.

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