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Old 05-29-2008, 07:58 PM
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Goodbye red light camera tickets!

I stopped them all together with a great trick, no cops notice it, the cameras cannot read it.

Step 1: Remove plate from car

Step 2: With a brush paint on first coat of clear poly acrylic paint and let dry

Step 3: Brush on 2nd coat of the same and let dry again

Step 4: Use the straight clear acrylic spray paint an let that dry

Step 5: put plate back on again

Cameras cannot possibly get through all those coats, just make sure when you replace your reg sticker on the plate to paint that over again. Cops cannot see the top layer reflecting to notice any difference because the bottom 2 layers have a polymer that distorts the reflection therefore making it look normal, that is why it is called "poly acrylic".

I see cameras flash, no ticket in the mail.

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Old 06-01-2008, 08:00 PM
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if you can read the letters after the plate is painted, then why cant the camera see them?? in day light especially, i cant see that the flash would be so bright as to reflect off the coating you applied and distort the tag..

I successfully fought one in ATL and won, but had to go to court and argue SMJ/IPJ with some help from Greg at TS..

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Old 06-01-2008, 08:06 PM
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Like how can a camera be a complainant! LOL
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Old 06-01-2008, 08:13 PM
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Who is going to testify to the facts?

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Like how can a camera be a complainant! LOL
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I've always wanted to toy w/photo radar tickets this way:

Find out the OTHER PRIVATE CORP which "leases" their technology to the city for a % of the ticket money

Then file a motion to dismiss for failure to join an indispensable party , because that corp is not listed in the caption !
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Old 06-01-2008, 10:05 PM
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I've always wanted to toy w/photo radar tickets this way:

Find out the OTHER PRIVATE CORP which "leases" their technology to the city for a % of the ticket money

Then file a motion to dismiss for failure to join an indispensable party , because that corp is not listed in the caption !

Another thing I would like to know is who authorized the release for part of the fictitious security to a third party company, doesn't that need at least the 2 signatures from both parties involved?

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Old 06-01-2008, 10:22 PM
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You guys are funny.....hahaha....

but.... I like how you all think =).

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Old 06-02-2008, 11:12 AM
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ThomPaine:

Let's see the proof that you won a red light camera ticket case in Atlanta, with or without the help of some Ticketslayer doofus who was practicing law without a license.

Case number and court, please. It's a matter of public record. Anyone can look it up. Show me you won, or else I will know you're just blowing smoke again.
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:19 AM
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messing with license plate

I don't know how it is in all states, but in Georgia doing anything to your license plate in an attempt to defeat red light cameras is a cure that is worse than the disease. First up, subsection (f) of Georgia Code 40-6-20, "Obedience to Traffic Control Devices" (emphasis added):

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(f)(1) As used in this subsection, the term:

(A) "Owner" means the registrant of a motor vehicle, except that such term shall not include a motor vehicle rental company when a motor vehicle registered by such company is being operated by another person under a rental agreement with such company.

(B) "Recorded images" means images recorded by a traffic-control signal monitoring device:

(i) On:

(I) Two or more photographs;

(II) Two or more microphotographs;

(III) Two or more electronic images; or

(IV) Videotape; and

(ii) Showing a traffic-control signal displaying a CIRCULAR RED or RED ARROW signal along with the rear of a motor vehicle apparently operated in disregard or disobedience of such signal and, on at least one image or portion of tape, clearly revealing the number or other identifying designation of the license plate displayed on the motor vehicle.

(C) "Traffic-control signal monitoring device" means a device with one or more motor vehicle sensors working in conjunction with a traffic-control signal to produce recorded images of motor vehicles being operated in disregard or disobedience of a CIRCULAR RED or RED ARROW signal.

(2) Subsection (a) of this Code section may be enforced as provided in this subsection pursuant to the use of traffic-control signal monitoring devices in accordance with Article 3 of Chapter 14 of this title.

(3) For the purpose of enforcement pursuant to this subsection:

(A) The driver of a motor vehicle shall be liable for a civil monetary penalty of not more than $70.00 if such vehicle is found, as evidenced by recorded images produced by a traffic-control signal monitoring device, to have been operated in disregard or disobedience of a CIRCULAR RED or RED ARROW signal in violation of subsection (a) of this Code section and such disregard or disobedience was not otherwise authorized by law;

(B) The law enforcement agency for which such device is permitted shall send by first-class mail addressed to the owner of the motor vehicle postmarked not later than ten days after the date of the alleged violation:

(i) A citation for the violation, which shall include the date and time of the violation, the location of the intersection, the amount of the civil monetary penalty imposed, and the date by which the civil monetary penalty shall be paid;

(ii) A copy of the recorded image;

(iii) A copy of a certificate sworn to or affirmed by a trained law enforcement officer or a technician employed by a law enforcement agency for which such device is authorized and stating that, based upon inspection of recorded images, the owner's motor vehicle was operated in disregard or disobedience of a CIRCULAR RED or RED ARROW signal in violation of subsection (a) of this Code section and that such disregard or disobedience was not otherwise authorized by law;

(iv) A statement of the inference provided by subparagraph (D) of this paragraph and of the means specified therein by which such inference may be rebutted;

(v) Information advising the owner of the motor vehicle of the manner and time in which liability as alleged in the citation may be contested in court; and

(vi) Warning that failure to pay the civil monetary penalty or to contest liability in a timely manner shall waive any right to contest liability and result in a civil monetary penalty;

provided, however, that only warning notices and not citations for violations shall be sent during the 30 day period commencing with the installation of a traffic-control signal monitoring device at such location;

(C) Proof that a motor vehicle was operated in disregard or disobedience of a CIRCULAR RED or RED ARROW signal in violation of subsection (a) of this Code section shall be evidenced by recorded images produced by a traffic-control signal monitoring device authorized pursuant to Article 3 of Chapter 14 of this title. A copy of a certificate sworn to or affirmed by a trained law enforcement officer or a technician employed by a law enforcement agency for which such device is authorized and stating that, based upon inspection of recorded images, a motor vehicle was operated in disregard or disobedience of a CIRCULAR RED or RED ARROW signal in violation of subsection (a) of this Code section and that such disregard or disobedience was not otherwise authorized by law shall be prima-facie evidence of the facts contained therein; and

(D) Liability under this subsection shall be determined based upon preponderance of the evidence. Prima-facie evidence that the vehicle described in the citation issued pursuant to this subsection was operated in violation of subsection (a) of this Code section, together with proof that the defendant was at the time of such violation the registered owner of the vehicle, shall permit the trier of fact in its discretion to infer that such owner of the vehicle was the driver of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation. Such an inference may be rebutted if the owner of the vehicle:

(i) Testifies under oath in open court that he or she was not the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation;

(ii) Presents to the court prior to the return date established on the citation a certified copy of a police report showing that the vehicle had been reported to the police as stolen prior to the time of the alleged violation; or

(iii) Submits to the court prior to the return date established on the citation a sworn notarized statement identifying the name of the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation.

(4) A violation for which a civil penalty is imposed pursuant to this subsection shall not be considered a moving traffic violation, for the purpose of points assessment under Code Section 40-5-57. Such violation shall be deemed noncriminal, and imposition of a civil penalty pursuant to this subsection shall not be deemed a conviction and shall not be made a part of the operating record of the person upon whom such liability is imposed, nor shall it be used for any insurance purposes in the provision of motor vehicle insurance coverage.

(5) If a person summoned by first-class mail fails to appear on the date of return set out in the citation and has not paid the penalty for the violation or filed a police report or affidavit pursuant to division (3)(D)(ii) or (3)(D)(iii) of this subsection, the person summoned shall have waived the right to contest the violation and shall be liable for a civil monetary penalty of not more than $70.00.

(6) Any court having jurisdiction over violations of subsection (a) of this Code section or any ordinance adopting the provisions of said subsection pursuant to Code Section 40-6-372 shall have jurisdiction over cases arising under this subsection and shall be authorized to impose the civil monetary penalty provided by this subsection. Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the provisions of law governing jurisdiction, procedure, defenses, adjudication, appeal, and payment and distribution of penalties otherwise applicable to violations of subsection (a) of this Code section shall apply to enforcement under this subsection; provided, however, that any appeal from superior or state court shall be by application in the same manner as that provided by Code Section 5-6-35.

(7) Recorded images made for purposes of this subsection shall not be a public record for purposes of Article 4 of Chapter 18 of Title 50.

(8) The provisions of this subsection shall not limit law enforcement agencies to the use of traffic-control signal monitoring devices in enforcing subsection (a) of this Code section; and, when there is evidence obtained from another source or sources which constitutes a prima-facie case of a violation of subsection (a) of this Code section, such violation may be prosecuted as otherwise provided by law in lieu of, but not in addition to, enforcement under this subsection.

So...even if you get nicked by the red light camera, it's deemed a civil infraction only, not any kind of traffic violation or crime, and your insurance company can't use it to raise your rate. Nor do any points go on your license with the Department of Driver Services. And the maximum fine is $70. Now let's see what you get if you're caught trying to shield your license plate from the cameras. To be continued in next post....
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:28 AM
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Here's what you can get if you try to make your plate invisible to red light cameras:

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Georgia Code 40-2-6.1 Impeding surveillance equipment from clearly photographing license plate.

Any person who willfully covers any license plate with plastic, other material, or any part of his or her body in order to prevent or impede the ability of surveillance equipment to clearly photograph or otherwise obtain a clear image of the license plate is guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $1,000.00.

Congratulations! In order to avoid a maximum fee of $70 for a civil infraction, you have now committed a misdemeanor criminal offense that can get you a fine of up to $1000. Brilliant!
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