Passports - American Nationals

[Jerseee]

Originally Posted by KaosTheory

Jersee,

Not sure if you read my initial post or not.

I downloaded the form from Family Guardian that replaces "US Citizen" with the word "National" and I put the check in that box.

I filled in zero's for the SS#.

I paid the extra fee to have it expedited.

I have not gotten so much as a "Sorry we don't serve your kind here" letter.

I called to see what was taking so long.

The lady on the phone said that if I submitted a "STATE" birth certificate then I am not a National but a US Citizen. I'd rather be the Easter Bunny....heh heh....She said if you don't enter the SS# then they won't process the app.

KT

KT,

I'm not speaking about the application. I mean the actual passport itself. It gives you a choice "citizen/national". Check it out.

[Jerseee]

Originally Posted by sseipel133

Couple of questions:
What about the idea I have read about of using the regular passport application but changing U.S. to U.S.A. and citizen to Citizen?
Also,
I live in another country now, where my daughter was born. Any ideas about here application, which we need to be doing one of these days? Could she qualify as a U.S. national, or what?
I got mine when I was still a "citizen" and never saw the point in trying to change it. It's true what the post above says, the passport says something like "this U.S. citizen or national..." so I'll just cover the part that says "citizen".

That is the best bet I can think of so far without controversy.

[KaosTheory]

Jersee,

If I ever get the passport, I'll let you know.

I think the problem is, is that they are saying that I am not a national since I produced a state birth certificate. I was told on the phone that anyone born in one of the 50 states in a US Citizen.

[Jerseee]

Originally Posted by KaosTheory

Jersee,

If I ever get the passport, I'll let you know.

I think the problem is, is that they are saying that I am not a national since I produced a state birth certificate. I was told on the phone that anyone born in one of the 50 states in a US Citizen.

Can they prove it? Remember citizenship is voluntary? You can choose what citizenship you wish to be or none at all.

Get case law to back your position and some code and start hammering them with it.

[rushpat]

I got my Passport years ago, before I started my journey into the whole citizenship stuff. My passport says "citizen/national" on the inside. No address or SSN on it either. There is an incredibly long number across the bottom of the info page though. That is probably cross-referenced somewhere is an SSN and address though, but only through gov't computers.

If you intend to use your Passport for everyday ID instead of a Driver's License, then you shouldn't worry.

Late last night I filled out my daughter's passport application. It took a lot of thought but I figured it out. It is not nearly as difficult as we thought. The only change necessary was change MY citizenship from U.S. to U.S.A. I have realized that the rest does not matter. I don't have time today to explain in detail but that is the only change you need to make, if your parents are state Citizens. Otherwise it is correct. None of the "Acts and Conditions" section applies to Citizens or nationals, whichever term you prefer. It only is relevant to citizens. Don't worry about the title at the top where it says application for U.S. passport. That does not mean you are a "citizen" because it is valid for non-"citizens" also(like nationals). Having a passport from a country does not always mean you are a citizen. Look at Panama for an example. So don't worry so much.

[KaosTheory]

What about the SSN? Did you enter your SSN?

I am curious to know what were the results of putting "Religious Objector" in the SSN box? Was the application processed? Was it returned?

No. It only asked for her SSN, not mine. I put 0's in the spaces. That's what the instructions say to do. I've never heard of anyone having that problem before you.

I applied for a passport yesterday. I did check U.S. citiizen, for country I put America. In the box for SSN, I wrote: Religious Objector. The gal there swore me in and I signed, then said she had never seen that category entered before, said I would receive a letter in 4 to 6 weeks telling me or not if it was accepted or not. I know there are groups in the country who have never had an SSN, Amish, etc. Aren't they "Religious Objectors?" I will let everyone know what happens in a month or so.