Right to Travel Court Cites

[palani]

Originally Posted by Buzz Sawyer

This site seems to contains tons of mis-information pertaining to legal matters.

You are new here, aren't you?

Generally I hold the belief that legal information is dispensed by holders of BAR cards and comes at a cost higher than the receipt indicates. I have been present here for several years and have yet to find any legal information ever posted.

Lawful information on the other hand abounds here and is freely offered. As with any offer you are free to accept or reject at will. Lacking a time factor and consideration no contract is created by acceptance.

Consideration, in the sense underlined below, seems to be performed over time.

Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster

con·sid·er·ation
Pronunciation: k&n-"si-d&-'rA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : continuous and careful thought <after long consideration he agreed to their requests>
2 a : a matter weighed or taken into account when formulating an opinion or plan <economic considerations forced her to leave college> b : a taking into account
3 : thoughtful and sympathetic regard
4 : an opinion obtained by reflection
5 : ESTEEM, REGARD <the family built themselves a large, ugly villa...and became people of consideration -- V. S. Pritchett>
6 a : RECOMPENSE, PAYMENT <a consideration paid for legal services> b : the inducement to a contract or other legal transaction; specifically : an act or forbearance or the promise thereof done or given by one party in return for the act or promise of another
- in consideration of : as payment or recompense for <a small fee in consideration of many kind services>

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I am quite certain I have seen these plates, for whatever they are worth- and we all know about diplomatic plates, etc.

And I personally drove around for a long time with the sign "waiting for tags" in my rear window, long before I had any awarenes of all this, just because that's what I was told to do- it was and may still be customary.

What is the procedure for buying a car in one state and taking it to another state? Cant get tags until you get a new title from the home state, right? maybe even need to inspect it first.

Temp tags?

Customary law is equal to legislation and judicial precendent, as well as contracts.


But I accept the challenge and if it can be arranged I will obtain photos for posting here.

[Shoonra]

I know a little bit about some of the special plates such as handicapped, or Medal of Honor, or volunteer fireman plates: The vehicle's owner has to provide documentation to justify the special plate, the vehicle still has to be registered and pass inspection like everyone else's, the driver has to qualify for and obtain a DL like everyone else. Some States may offer a discount for plates for, say, Pearl Harbor Veterans, Medal of Honor recipients, but the Medical Doctor plates don't get a discount.

Diplomatic plates are issued by the US Dept of State, and the plate gives some clue as to whose car it is (although this seems to be kept a secret by the State Dept). The plates that go to Ambassader's cars are different from those for consular officers or embassy staff, etc. There is also a code for the home country; a long time ago the country was spelled out but some embassies' cars attracted vandalism so now the plates have a secret code to show the country. (About 20 years ago the Washington Post got a list of the license tag codes and printed it. This was evidently the first and last time such a list appeared in public. The exact same list, dating back before the USSR broke up and at least ten countries even existed, is posted on several websites and someone in DC is still charging $1 for a reprint of that ancient Post article.) The State Dept does require that the cars be inspected and found roadworthy, and the drivers be licensed by their own countries at least.

I would think that automobiles are new, relatively speaking, that "customary law" wouldn't be applicable to the situation.

[TKL]

Well here in Calif. I myself have seen cars on the road without plates. Instead they have small series of numbers with a bar code. I tried taking a closer look at the numbers while driving but they were to small to read.

Someone told me that there are special exemptions available for registrating an automobile.

I went to the local DMV but no one seems to know anything about it. But I got the feeling the supervisor I was talking to didn't want to tell me about it.

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

I am quite certain I have seen these plates, for whatever they are worth- and we all know about diplomatic plates, etc.

And I personally drove around for a long time with the sign "waiting for tags" in my rear window, long before I had any awarenes of all this, just because that's what I was told to do- it was and may still be customary.

What is the procedure for buying a car in one state and taking it to another state? Cant get tags until you get a new title from the home state, right? maybe even need to inspect it first.

Temp tags?

Customary law is equal to legislation and judicial precendent, as well as contracts.


But I accept the challenge and if it can be arranged I will obtain photos for posting here.

Ever obtain those photos farmer..?

[Charlie Blue]

I didn't read all the posts in this thread but I just wanted to add this, I've been dri . . . ehh, traveling for years without having a license. Went to court four times because of it. First time the decision was "not guilty". The other three times, "case dismissed". I didn't even have to say a word those last three times. Just walk up to the bench when my name was called and "case dismissed".

I used the technique that was laid-out by Johnny Liberty (if any of you are familiar with his work). Hey, worked for me. Not just for traveling either but on other issues as well.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

post that technique!

[indago]

The State has blurred the distinction between the natural and artificial person to the point of the individual being duped into believing that he has no right to drive his automobile. The question has been posed to individuals: "If the State sent to you a notice declaring that your "privilege" to drive your automobile has been revoked, what would you do?" The answer was a resounding: "I would drive it anyway." Driving an automobile to work, or play, is as natural a function to most Americans now that to deprive an American of this right would be tantamount to taking his plate of food from him at the table.

A "license", in law, is a permission granted by a "higher authority" to perform some specific function. Licensing to drive an automobile is permission granted by the State to drive. Frank Kelly, the Attorney General for the State of Michigan, declared that nobody has the right to drive an automobile. He argued that "First of all you must have a license from the State and so driving a car is a privilege..." This is the classic CATCH 22 situation; if the right is to be exercised, one must seek permission from the State; then, the right is lost when the privilege is engaged in. The State does not have a program for those who wish to drive an automobile as a basic right. All are lumped into the category of "artificial person".

With the distinction blurred between the natural person and the artificial person, the State can withdraw the "privilege" at will, or many "conditions" can be placed upon the use of the 'privilege", such as have been proposed by some legislators that your rights be waived and the individual must submit to alcohol tests, and searches and seizures; and that child support payments must be up to date or the drivers "license" will be revoked. If the individual is "licensed" by the State, his "privilege" may well be revoked at the whim of the State. This is where the inhabitants of the States should rise up against this feudal system, and demand that the right to drive an automobile be recognized.

By now you can see how the right to drive an automobile has been relegated to the status of "privilege"; mostly through neglect, and apathy of the individual. Now most individuals actually believe that driving an automobile is a "privilege" granted by the State.

There is a cult of government worshippers loose upon the land, and this toady class within our society must be overcome before rights are regained. Rather than "license" issued by the State, a program course could be developed for the driver which would teach the Rules of the Road, and the function of driving a car on the road with other vehicles. And upon completion, a Certificate of Competency could be issued.

[Charlie Blue]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

post that technique!

Sure, the technique is basically this, I first sent a notarized statement revoking the power of attorney to the DMV. This is because I needed to wipe clean any ties as far as jurisdiction with that agency. I never had an actually driver's license but I did have a state ID by them. Plus I did pass the driver permit test a few times but never went for the actual license. So these legal links I had to cut.

Then typed up an affidavit laying out that I have a right to travel and have it notarized, the many authorities (case laws, statues, etc.) supporting the declaration, that I am well familiar with the traffic safety laws and that I will adhere to them and that I'm not engaging any type of commerce. I sent it to the head of DMV and I never got a response. As it is said, in law, no objection is agreement. I kept a couple of copies. Then when I traveled around and had any police encounter, I'd show them that three page statement and let them know that it was on file with the DMV. Some wouldn't want to hear it and some would call their commander or whoever on the radio then come back to me and give the back the affidavit saying, "okay, you can go". But they'll still try to convince me to get a state license. But the ones who would give me a ticket for driving without a license anyway would end up looking real silly comes court time.

However, I'd naturally dri . . ehh, travel around carefully (I'm not a reckless traveler anyway) but when doing something that really violates traffic laws, which is extremely rare, I'd simply pay the ticket. But make clear that I'm not a driver so that statue doesn't apply to me.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I still haven't figured out how all this fits together- but there is the way the statutes read (more or less)-


vehicle, a device by which any person or property is or may be transported.
Sometimes its, "a device which is or may be used to move, carry, etc"


So the first thing that jumps out is the conditional uses- is, or may be. So what if the device is not and may not?


The other point here is the way the definition relies on the device acting on someone or something else.
So a public bus is a means by which passengers are transported. Is it a means by which the driver is transported?
A freight truck is a means used to carry stuff- does it also "carry" the driver?

Do drivers transport themselves?


So perhaps "may be used"= "registered to be treated as though it were"
and
"is used" means currently employed to that end.


So if the device is NOT registered and ISNT being "used", then it is NOT a vehicle, by definition.


And so any law that only applies to defined "vehicles", doesn't.