Traveling with out insurance?

[leatherlips]

I was told by a non licensed driver, that Progressive will insure non licensed drivers. He would know. You can also post a bond.

Originally Posted by leatherlips

I was told by a non licensed driver, that Progressive will insure non licensed drivers. He would know. You can also post a bond.

This intrigued me, so I called Progressive.

They deny they offer any such program.

FYI

Henry Franlin

[leatherlips]

E-mail mark@sorce190.com. He should be able to tell you anything you need to know about the subject. He is the one that showed me his self made license and said Progressive insures non-licensed drivers. Put him on the spot.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by weasel

martha, have you tried that course of action?

and how do you take an automobile "out of commerce?"

To take the automobile out of [public] commerce and make it no longer a [public] motor vehicle you can

1. Put indicia on the automobile making it clear that its *private* {property} and *not for hire*.
2. Junk the title
3. Get rid of public tags and utilize private tags.

If there is a note on the car, you probably need to deal with the note. But you can still put a notice on the car to give notice that you arent 'driving'/raising money/on the public roads for private gain. Its important to know the difference between sojourning/travelling and driving. The terms operating and driving can be said to pertain to money-raising and 'dealing in commodities'. See previous thread showing definitions and etymologies.

Originally Posted by leatherlips

E-mail mark@sorce190.com. He should be able to tell you anything you need to know about the subject. He is the one that showed me his self made license and said Progressive insures non-licensed drivers. Put him on the spot.

I really don't have any desire to do that, and I don't know him, so I will leave it alone.


Thanks

Henry Franklin

[fulltitle]

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Those who are bonding themselves, are you simply executing the bond notifying the SoS and filing it with the local county?

[Livefire]

Leatherlips,

Why dont you invite him to join the board and edify all of us denziens of SuiJuris??

[chapka]

Originally Posted by kgod999

if your car is a automobile and not a motor vehicle, its a mute point anyway. states require insurance for motor vehicles, not automobiles. once u take your automobile out of commerce, all the statutes relating to motor vehicles dont apply anymore.

First, motor vehicle regulation is governed by state law, so making this kind of broad statement about what "states" require is not appropriate. Check your individual state's law to see what is and is not a motor vehicle. Yes, the trend is towards uniformity and the adoption of model codes, but it's still a bad idea to assume that the law of Wyoming is the same as the law of New Hampshire. This applies to the question in the OP, also; your insurance requirements are going to depend on your state's law, and unless you say what state you live in, you won't get a definite answer.

Second, I've never seen any state with a definition of "motor vehicle" that would reasonably exclude cars. The New York definition of "motor vehicle" is:

"Every vehicle operated or driven upon a public highway which is propelled by any power other than muscular power" (subject to certain stated objections, such as motorized wheelchairs).

The idea that "drive" or "operate" have some sort of secret definition that only covers cars used "in commerce" is pretty random. Honestly, if you and your friend are going on a trip, and your friend says, "Mind if I drive," are you going to say, "No, because then we'd be entering into a commercial relationship and I'd be obliged to pay you for your commercial activity?" Of course not, because that's not what "drive" means. "To drive" means, and as far as I know always has meant, simply "to make something go or move," since long before there were cars.

nope, nope, nope. break down every word in a statute book (use blacks 5th edition) and you will find every word vehicle, transportation, driver, etc is commerce.

[B Rookard]

Originally Posted by kgod999

nope, nope, nope. break down every word in a statute book (use blacks 5th edition) and you will find every word vehicle, transportation, driver, etc is commerce.

What don't you guys understand about this ... when the word is defined in the statute, you go by the definition in the statute. You guys want to always pull out Black's (or whatever) as if some potentially different definition will trump the statutory definition. It doesn't work like that.

The word generally used is "operate" and it is usually defined in the statute. I know that Michigan's definition doesn't say anything about being engaged in commerce.