Privatizing your car... again

[gldskr]

Registering your vehicle at all is a bad idea, whether the plates are under the floormat or in the garage.

We all know that motor vehicles are required to be registered. The act of registering your private vehicle is testimony that you declare that vehicle to be a motor vehicle. Once registered into their system you are thereby bound.

There are "laws" that require the plate to be properly affixed, as well as "laws" requiring timely renewal, in addition to penalties for failure to comply.

Originally Posted by Minnesota Statutes

168.35 INTENT TO ESCAPE TAX; GROSS MISDEMEANOR.
Any person who shall, with intent to escape payment of any tax on a motor vehicle, as herein
provided, delay or neglect to properly list and apply to register the same, or, with intent to prevent
the payment or collection of the proper tax, fee, or lien thereon, violate or neglect to comply with
any of the provisions of this chapter, shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
History: (2695) 1921 c 461 s 24; 1923 c 418 s 24

168.011 Subd. 2. Application for registration; listing for taxation. "Application for registration"
shall have the same meaning as "listing for taxation," and when a motor vehicle is registered it is also listed.

If registering your vehicle were truly mandatory, then there would be no sense in applying; registration would occur at the point of sale. Once again we voluntarily apply under the ruse of a mandate. We have made an affirmative act to enter their jurisdiction.

In order to remove oneself from their jurisdiction you must effectively de-register your vehicle, which entails a corresponding affirmative act of returning the plates and the Certificate of Title, in addition to an affidavit stating the vehicle is no longer a motor vehicle.

The sticker or plate that says " Private Not for Hire " is an effective Notice of Foreign Law.

Originally Posted by Dillon Hunt

Maybe a sign that says: This vehicle is owned by This State please sent any tickets to DMV at this address. I am just the State's Driver.

Please provide proof that the state owns your car or have you fallen for another pay-triot myth?

gldskr

[Dillon Hunt]

Originally Posted by gldskr

Please provide proof that the state owns your car or have you fallen for another pay-triot myth?
gldskr

A letter to DMV Saying: By registering this vehicle with this State, I do hereby give this State a superior security interest in this vehicle. I give this State superior ownership of this vehicle over mine. Since this vehicle is no longer only mine this State agrees to total liability when I am driving the vehicle because I am license to drive this vehicle by this State.

Dillon

[TKL]

Originally Posted by gldskr

Registering your vehicle at all is a bad idea, whether the plates are under the floormat or in the garage.

We all know that motor vehicles are required to be registered. The act of registering your private vehicle is testimony that you declare that vehicle to be a motor vehicle. Once registered into their system you are thereby bound.

If registering your vehicle were truly mandatory, then there would be no sense in applying; registration would occur at the point of sale. Once again we voluntarily apply under the ruse of a mandate. We have made an affirmative act to enter their jurisdiction.

In order to remove oneself from their jurisdiction you must effectively de-register your vehicle, which entails a corresponding affirmative act of returning the plates and the Certificate of Title, in addition to an affidavit stating the vehicle is no longer a motor vehicle.

The sticker or plate that says " Private Not for Hire " is an effective Notice of Foreign Law.

gldskr

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Well a buddy of mine is really into claiming his sovereignty.
He drives without plates and DL and he gets pulled over a lot by the coppers; gets arrested, jailed, goes to court.

Man, it seems like a hassle.

I on the other hand, haven't been pulled over for over 5 years. No tickets, no arrest, no courts.

I'd like NOT to register my private automobile, but I just don't want to waste my time dealing with coppers, black robes. The system doesn't really care about people asserting their rights, they just want you to follow their rules - blindly without questioning.

So for now, I have plates and tags cause I don't want to attract attention from the coppers. Where I live they are everywhere and ready to pounce.

I have noticed lately a lot of older cars driving around with plates.

That makes me wonder.

tk

[Questionmark_Y]

Would you continue to ride in the back of the bus?

I'm glad that Rosa Parks didn't.

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by Questionmark_Y

Would you continue to ride in the back of the bus?

I'm glad that Rosa Parks didn't.

rosa parks and martin luther king were communist agitators. Not very good icons, surely?

[gldskr]

Originally Posted by Dillon

A letter to DMV Saying: By registering this vehicle with this State, I do hereby give this State a superior security interest in this vehicle. I give this State superior ownership of this vehicle over mine. Since this vehicle is no longer only mine this State agrees to total liability when I am driving the vehicle because I am license to drive this vehicle by this State.

This is utter nonsense. Apparently you forgot about the other half of the bargain, the acceptance. Supposing they did accept your offer, what percentage ownership belongs to them and what percentage belongs to you? What if they decided that they would rather have the vehicle instead of assuming liability while you drive it? It appears you did fall for a pay-triot myth.

trav12433

The statutes you cite pertain to drivers licenses and have nothing to do with registration.

Originally Posted by TKL

I'd like NOT to register my private automobile, but I just don't want to waste my time dealing with coppers, black robes. The system doesn't really care about people asserting their rights, they just want you to follow their rules - blindly without questioning.

You're correct, but freedom is not free. If you don't assert your rights you have none. Perhaps you are one of those whom Samuel Adams speaks.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

gldskr

[Grench]

Get a international dl and you'll NEVER have to worry about the copper's! I have been pulled over OVER 20 time's within the first 6 months of having it. Its like having immuity in a foregin counrty. Ofcourse, beinging Black and all I AM IN A FOREGIN COUNTRY! Anyway, all I show him/her (copper) is the international convention (on international drivers) and my dl. Keep a copy in my car.

I "filed" a affidavit (in my brothers 'latest' criminal case) with my ssn in the corner as the 'registation' number, had it certified by the clerk, sent it to the state for the appostile, and to the state department for the appostile, as well. I put IDL with my snn on my plates.

No problems.

Regards,
Phil
Without Recourse


"Brenda, their coming for you!" ~Night Of The Living Dead

[Dillon Hunt]

Originally Posted by gldskr

This is utter nonsense. Apparently you forgot about the other half of the bargain, the acceptance. Supposing they did accept your offer, what percentage ownership belongs to them and what percentage belongs to you? What if they decided that they would rather have the vehicle instead of assuming liability while you drive it? It appears you did fall for a pay-triot myth.
gldskr

Good point, try this instead:

A letter to DMV aka the State Saying: By registering this vehicle with this State, I do hereby give this State a equal security interest in this vehicle. I give this State co-ownership of this vehicle. Since this vehicle is no longer only mine, this State agrees to total liability when I am licensed by this State to drive the vehicle.

Is that better?

thanks Dillon

I am looking for new ideas of dealing with DMV, got any suggestions? Think outside the box ! We need to out smart them at thier own game or move the game somewhere else.

[TKL]

Originally Posted by gldskr

You're correct, but freedom is not free. If you don't assert your rights you have none. Perhaps you are one of those whom Samuel Adams speaks.
gldskr

You're absolutely right, freedom is not free.

"When the government fears the people, you have liberty. When the people fear the government you have Tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson

Well I assert my rights when I am confronted by the coppers. I was pulled over a while ago and the copper asked me what I was doing driving at 11:45 pm in his town ( I was from the next city!) I told him I was exercising my Constitutional God given right to travel. He was quite taken a back to hear me say that, because I guess he knew I was right. Then he accused me of being drunk. LOL. I told him that's impossible cause I don't drink. After a couple of minutes he let me go - score.

Recently, I was at a fast food place and there were 3 coppers, one of them didn't seem to like me. So next thing I knew I was surrounded by the 3 coppers, trying to intimidate me. I turned around and looked at them straight in their eyes and walk through them. They backed away cuz they saw I was not intimidated by them. And these suckers were big coppers with maze, handcuffs and guns!

Right now, I am going through the process of correcting my status and have sent letters to govt agencies letting them know who I am and who I am not - for one thing I am a NOT a creation of the govt; they do not give me rights.

Soon I will truly establish my Sovereignty but the system is a freakin matrix. But slowly and surely, one step at a time, I will get there.

Hopefully the rest of the People will free themselves from the matrix someday. But the gov spends billions of dollars trying to program and intimidate us into submission, with their guns, private corporate laws, deception and so forth.

TK

[TKL]

Originally Posted by Grench

Get a international dl and you'll NEVER have to worry about the copper's! I have been pulled over OVER 20 time's within the first 6 months of having it. Its like having immuity in a foregin counrty. Ofcourse, beinging Black and all I AM IN A FOREGIN COUNTRY! Anyway, all I show him/her (copper) is the international convention (on international drivers) and my dl. Keep a copy in my car.

I "filed" a affidavit (in my brothers 'latest' criminal case) with my ssn in the corner as the 'registation' number, had it certified by the clerk, sent it to the state for the appostile, and to the state department for the appostile, as well. I put IDL with my snn on my plates.

No problems.

Regards,
Phil
Without Recourse


"Brenda, their coming for you!" ~Night Of The Living Dead

Recently, I saw a couple of cars with plates that were white and in the middle was a bar code with small numbers at the bottom. I tried to take a closer look at it and all I saw were numbers.

I wonder what kind plates were those. Anyone know?

BTW, where did you get your IDL... from the internet?

tk