International Driving Permit

[Jerseee]

Livefire,

Prepare as you must, but knowledge is the key and knowing when to apply it is best.

Let the robot officer do their job--no need to argue with them as they are just overseers for the master. if you must speak to the officer, I like what HB says, "We'll just tell it to the judge--no need of talking to me, just tell it to the judge."

Then that is where you bring this issue up about case laws that support your position. Check out ticketslayer.com and use your knowledge in court not on the street. So if you don't mind me doing this....

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579."

Use this and others like it, where it counts--in court and in the open. Just my thoughts.

Oh, there's nothing wrong with going to another nation--that is part of the freedom of being free to choose but is it necessary to claim such things?

permission is permission no matter which government you ask for it from.

[Livefire]

Jerseee,

I agree with everything your said, nonetheless, sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Since its Christmas time, I will use the story of Christ's birth. After He was born, God instructed Joseph to take the family to Egypt (another jurisdiction) for safety from Herod until the danger was past.

The best way is to be established in who and what you are and act upon that knowledge, but this might be an interim measure until one is ready. Maybe I'll license myself! hehehe. Does that mean I'm licentious or something?

Merry Christmas!!!!
Livefire

[leatherlips]

From what I understand, you can give yourself a license. I have several samples that are being used in Texas and California. Here is what it looks like.

I, Your Name Here, a
Titled sovereign am ______________to handle
all of my affairs. I give myself the right to
drive and travel. Anyone wishing me to give
them my license for making legal determinations
for me are hereby declared to be ___________by
me and are now fired from making any legal
determinations for me a Texian.
small By__________________
picture Title owner and secured party
Autograph

The word you write into the first blank is competent, and the second is incompetent. Some of the samples have you write your name on it after the I, and others have the name typed in. Some are written in from top to bottom, but all have the two words in the blanks written in by hand and the first line always starts past center to the right. It is about the size of a credit card and you get it laminated. It is supposed to have worked in California with an old man that was pulled over. After calling his supervisor about it, the cop was told to give the card back and leave Mr. so and so alone. I don't know if that is true, but that's what Rice Mcleod says on one of the tapes I have.

Leatherlips, I like that sovereign card inscription. I will have one made up or try to make one up for myself using this type of wording. I haven't been around this scene long enough to get myself set up properly. Thanks for the thread!!

[Jerseee]

Originally Posted by Livefire

Jerseee,

I agree with everything your said, nonetheless, sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Since its Christmas time, I will use the story of Christ's birth. After He was born, God instructed Joseph to take the family to Egypt (another jurisdiction) for safety from Herod until the danger was past.

The best way is to be established in who and what you are and act upon that knowledge, but this might be an interim measure until one is ready. Maybe I'll license myself! hehehe. Does that mean I'm licentious or something?

Merry Christmas!!!!
Livefire

Hhhahahahaa,

Well while you're at it--part the sea. hahahahahahahaa

I had an international drivers permit issued from Germany from 1988 to 1991. I happened to be living in Germany at the time courtesy of the U.S. Army, and secured the permit shortly before returning to the US.

The IDP is NOT valid in the jurisdiction that issues it, but IS valid in any other country that recognizes it (including the US). I used it until it expired upon returning to California, albeit in violation of California statute. California required a "resident" to get a license 10 days after establishing a domicile in the State. I'm guessing most states have a similar requirement. I'll be putting that factoid to the test when I move to Texas, see how long it takes them to invalidate my CADL.

Funny story relating to the initial CADL. At the time I could lawfully drive in Germany because of my USAEUR (US Army Europe) POV (personally owned vehicle) drivers license. That was on the civilian side. I also had a military drivers license for the army side, and was stamped for light wheeled vehicle (jeep, pickup, etc.) and for tracked vehicles (tested on an armored fighting vehicle). I go to CA DMV, pass the written test, then ask to accept my current drivers license as a waiver to the driving test.

IDP: Not good enough.
USAEUR POV: Not good enough.
Military DL: Just good enough.

I asked the DMV droid if I could get a bus license with the tank certification. She was not amused.

[Raptor13x]

I dont like the idea of "permit" in the IDP. That assumes there is a higher authority on earth to get permission from, and that you are subject to them. I simply carry a Positive ID card I made myself with my picture, and laminated it. So far the only place I've had problems with it was the bank, where it worked 50% of the time, but caused the lady at the counter a big fuss, lol. (that was before I cancelled my bank account).

[KITCHIE]

As many of you are aware I have been traveling around Nevada and California for a year and a half with no registration. I get stopped. I usually do not have my DL with me but an ID I made up. I went to court once and at the end of the trial it was dismissed.

I NEVER argue with the officer about right to travel. I tell him I am not in commerce therefore I don't need my DL today. When they say I need to have a DL I tell them I do have one and I carry it when I am doing comerce on the roads. When they say "everyone one who drives on this road needs to have registration", I again agree with them and tell them that when I do commercial driving I use my vehicle with plates and registration.

No fuss no muss.

Kitchie

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by KITCHIE

As many of you are aware I have been traveling around Nevada and California for a year and a half with no registration. I get stopped. I usually do not have my DL with me but an ID I made up. I went to court once and at the end of the trial it was dismissed.

I NEVER argue with the officer about right to travel. I tell him I am not in commerce therefore I don't need my DL today. When they say I need to have a DL I tell them I do have one and I carry it when I am doing comerce on the roads. When they say "everyone one who drives on this road needs to have registration", I again agree with them and tell them that when I do commercial driving I use my vehicle with plates and registration.

No fuss no muss.

Kitchie

Sounds like you are travelling (well, at least not travelling with the Gestapo License) down easy street, way to go!

[PANICPASS]

I again agree with them and tell them that when I do commercial driving I use my vehicle with plates and registration.


The DMV allows you to switch back and forth?