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Old 09-11-2005, 05:31 PM
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leatherlips said:
I am a member of the Pembina Nation and I am going to get a Pembina license since my state license has expired. If you are a member you can get the license for $50 and use it anywhere in the U.S. I plan on getting the tags for my truck from the Pembina Nation also. They cost $50 and never expire. It costs $50 to join the Pembina Nation and be registered with them. (seems like everything they offer is $50) I know severel other Pembina members here in my state and none of them have been hasled yet, but that's not to say they won't. You might want to look into that angle.

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I note that what we are doing here is the learning of how to extricate ourselves with knowledge from the tentacles and long arms of private-corporate contract-law. But that shouldn't keep us from also figuring out how to use the systems in place to our own benefit as well. I gather that the Pembina is one of the native nations within our midst and they apparently offer a service that might be viable in assisting us to maintain our control over a way-laid and hijaaked government-structure that wants, nay needs, our blood, sweat and tears to their continued siphonage by international crook^H^H^H^H^Hbankers (sorry for the geekage, lol)

Anyway, LeatherLips, can you provide urls to Pembina law and court opinions, customs, etc?

This is fascinating in the alternative!

Thanks much.
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Old 09-12-2005, 09:13 PM
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leatherlips said:
I am a member of the Pembina Nation and I am going to get a Pembina license since my state license has expired. If you are a member you can get the license for $50 and use it anywhere in the U.S. I plan on getting the tags for my truck from the Pembina Nation also. They cost $50 and never expire. It costs $50 to join the Pembina Nation and be registered with them. (seems like everything they offer is $50) I know severel other Pembina members here in my state and none of them have been hasled yet, but that's not to say they won't. You might want to look into that angle.

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I note that what we are doing here is the learning of how to extricate ourselves with knowledge from the tentacles and long arms of private-corporate contract-law. But that shouldn't keep us from also figuring out how to use the systems in place to our own benefit as well. I gather that the Pembina is one of the native nations within our midst and they apparently offer a service that might be viable in assisting us to maintain our control over a way-laid and hijaaked government-structure that wants, nay needs, our blood, sweat and tears to their continued siphonage by international crook^H^H^H^H^Hbankers (sorry for the geekage, lol)

Anyway, LeatherLips, can you provide urls to Pembina law and court opinions, customs, etc?

This is fascinating in the alternative!

Thanks much.

Interesting in theory, apparantly fraudulant in practice:

at http://j-accuse.blogspot.com/2005/09...t-01-2005.html
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Several interesting topics were discussed last night including a special report on the Pembina Indian Tribe. This has been discussed before but this report details how the internet promotions are nothing but a pure fraud.

at http://sw.jeffotto.com/faq_sovereignty_3.htm

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Two things actually. If you could forward to Burney for the right direction. Do you know if the Pembina Indian tribe license plates and drivers license work? Who can eliminate mortgage debt? I need to speak with someonbe who has done it themselves and knows how to do it-legally, in court, whatever else.Please,no Dorean Group.

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I bit on the Pembina stuff, and found out it was a scam, like everything else that Navin Naidu and JIm Parks do. Stear clear of that group. They do not represent the true Pembina Band. The real indian tribe is working on getting all of the procedures together that will provide the service, and support you.

The best information that I know of on debts and mortgage is WWW.EFTRANS.COM

Tell them that Burney sent you and it may open a door or two, but not give me a commission. They have the very best research out there. Dorean used part of their procedures, but not all, because Dorean wanted to do some short--cuts. Short-cuts lead to trouble.

My take on this, Native American sovereignty is a weak legal fiction. The United States government has violated every single Native American treaty it has ever signed. I doubt it would be much better if your parents were Pembinan.
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Old 09-12-2005, 09:22 PM
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Fantastic treatise on Native American Sovereignty.....

http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/sovereignty.html

Tells it like it is! Native American Nations are considered vassals of corp U.S.
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Old 09-26-2005, 11:43 AM
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Not to get off topic, but to explain 3 things required to understand what is said by some here (About Indian Rights (etc)).

1. You have a right as a dejur member of the united States of North America to operate any form of transportation on the public roadways without highwaymen, jack’o bites, or others laying their hands upon you. However you MUST understand that before you can do this you must do a few things. A) you MUST own the property (if you have a title to it, the STATE owns it – read your own state title laws – so it is not yours to operate on the roadway) B) you must be a non-US citizen C) you must cancel, resend, or otherwise negate ANY contract you ‘may’ have had with the UNITED STATES in any form.

2. The Pembina Nation little shell tribe of North America is a ‘treaty tribe’ (this is different than an ‘executive order tribe’ (recognized (BIA) reservation tribe)) – this tribe is recognized and the treaty’s are registered with the United Nations. *No purposeful act of Congress or the President has abrogated these treaties, so they still have the full force and effect as they did at signing.*
This Nation is not your cure in so much as you are looking for (in my humble opinion).
This Nation has removed some of its leaders for different things, and the old leaders have made deals with the UNITED STATES to become members of a (different) reservation tribe and help the UNITED STATES in attempting to disband the original tribe.
There are some turmoil’s within the nation, and contrary to popular belief and web sites out there;
You do not just join the tribe and pay some fee; or just pay some fee to join.
You do not get all of your problems solved by joining the tribe (the tribe is not a catch-all)
You MUST (at least at this time) have the ability, and understanding, to defend your tribal treaty rights within other jurisdictions (you must know who you are)

Treaty Tribe – there are currently 269 (apx) treaty tribes on the North American continent, these are tribes that did NOT give up their treaty rights for land allotments and as such are not recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs – Simply put they are not under the jurisdiction of the united States of America, as they are independent sovereign nations, and as such they cannot be recognized by the ‘government’ (a political corporation, or subdivistion, of the government) of the US tribe. (That recognition is for land allotments as wards of US Congress. (reservation tribe's))

Reservation Tribe (executive order tribe) – are tribes that have surrendered their ‘treaty rights’ for land allotments and other benefits of the United States of America making the USA the ‘trustee’ for all of their land and other property (making themselves wards of the USA, “for the eventual incorporation of those peoples into the citizenry of the united states” justice black).

3. Currently there is no ‘computer linking information’ for registration of private property between the tribe and the USA (and the political subdivisions thereof) and as such there are times when tribal members have problems on the public roadways. This means that if you are looking at “Tribal Membership” to solve your problems, you are looking at the wrong solution.
Currently there are several cities in the North Texas area, that I am personally aware of, that recognize the Tribal Plates and Drivers Licenses; this was not a simple act however. Several members of the tribe were arrested and had their private property impounded. In the end it was presented to these municipal corporations that their actions are (were) perceived as an act of war against the indian nations in violation of the Delaware treaty, Article 4 – as representative agents of the government of the united States of North America, in some form – and the ‘nations’ would seek resolution of these problems in treaty abrogation through the United Nations including the return of all lands brought under these treaties (that means the North American continent folks) and authorize the use of UN Troops to evict the last tribe (the white man) from these lands. Needless to say the people arrested were released, along with their property.

To say that these issues are easier to deal with, or avoid problems better than the other methods presented by the USA’s own case history; is WRONG –
Instead of trying to make the US Government follow their own ‘law’ as is normal during a traffic stop, now you are trying to make the US Government follow the obligations of a contract that it willingly entered into with the North American Indian Tribes (Treaty’s are contracts between nations). In order to ‘argue’ this with either a road side security officer (cop) or an administrative arbitrator (judge) you BETTER understand contracts and international contracts between nations.

*** Do not read further unless you want to try and understand treaty law ***

International Contracts (Treaty law) is simple to understand, in this case I will explain the contracts entered into with the united States of North America and several Indian Tribes.

In 1778 the Delaware Nation entered into a contract of treaty with the united States of North America (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/ntreaty/del1778.htm)
This treaty made the united States of North America and the Delaware Nation equals on the land, and both independent governments. (Both are now Indian Tribes)
The special inclusion in this treaty was that ‘any indian nation that joined under treaty with the united States of North America’ were automatically included in this original Delaware treaty. (made members of the; Grand National Counsel of Confederated Nations)
Step forward in time, through different treaties with different tribes the united States of North America was granted land(s) – all of North America (basically)
Article Four of the Delaware Treaty makes specific provisions that the white tribe will not interfere with the Indian Tribe. (neither party shall proceed to the infliction of punishments on the citizens of the other, otherwise than by securing the offender or offenders by imprisonment, or any other competent means, till a fair and impartial trial can be had by judges or juries of both parties, as near as can be to the laws, customs and usages of the contracting parties and natural justice)
Now, if you violate a treaty, or abrogate it, everything in the treaty reverts to its pre-existing state. (the same as in a contract).
This means if the united States of North America (or any division thereof) violates the treaty(s) the Indians get back all the land.

This is the ‘argument’ that wins. Place the ‘person’ (court, cop, city official) in the ‘spot’ of representing the ‘government’ as an agent of any kind, and he is now responsible under the treaty.
Do they always follow it, No. They are idiots (they are specifically hired and trained to be idiots in what they do (yes, I have relatives that are ‘police officers’ in texas and oklahoma, so I can say that))

So, if you are looking for a ‘fix all’ solution the Indian Nations are not your solutions at all.
If you want an even better understanding of the problems involved (specifically with titles, tags, and private transportation), read:
Prairie Band of Potawatomi Indians v. Pierce, 253 F.3d 1234
PRAIRIE BAND POTAWATOMI NATION v WAGNON D.C. No. 99-CV-4136-JAR (march 2005)


There is, in the end, only one way that the USA will follow these treaties – war with the North American Indians. The mutual feeling of most Indians I know is that we would rather empower the United Nations to send troops into north America and remove the white race (thereby risking the loss of these lands to the UN) than be persecuted further by the last indian tribe (white man – US Government).

(as a note, the Delaware Treaty (1778) made the ‘white man’ the last indian tribe on the north american continent – no government in the world (at the time) would recognize the ‘government’ of north America without those holding the land patents (the Indians) giving their assent to the 'government')
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Old 09-26-2005, 01:48 PM
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drivers license

every week where i live, they are making a killing arresting mexicans who dont have a drivers license. now, whether their citizenship is a issue, i doubt it. their total ignorance to whats going on, yes.
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Old 09-26-2005, 01:57 PM
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Welcome to the forum, Charon9.

Your post is very interesting, and in my opinion, on point. No matter what position the People take, we must defend our position before a government that is arrogant with the use of its power.

Unforunatly, the People have been dumb down for generations. This was accomplished by government schemes. It is now very hard for Man (men and women) to act in an organized manner.

See "Dumbing Us Down":

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by John Taylor Gatto - 1991 New York State Teacher of the Year


Call me Mr. Gatto, please. Twenty-six years ago, having nothing better to do at the time, I tried my hand at schoolteaching. The license I hold certifies that I am an instructor of English language and English literature, but that isn't what I do at all. I don't teach English, I teach school -- and I win awards doing it.

Teaching means different things in different places, but seven lessons are universally taught from Harlem to Hollywood Hills. They constitute a national curriculum you pay for in more ways than you can imagine, so you might as well know what it is. You are at liberty, of course, to regard these lessons any way you like, but believe me when I say I intend no irony in this presentation. These are the things I teach, these are the things you pay me to teach. Make of them what you will.

1. CONFUSION...
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tma68/7lesson.htm
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Old 10-16-2005, 10:54 AM
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From what I understand, you can give yourself a license. I have several samples that are being used in Texas and California. Here is what it looks like.

I, Your Name Here, a
Titled sovereign am ______________to handle
all of my affairs. I give myself the right to
drive and travel. Anyone wishing me to give
them my license for making legal determinations
for me are hereby declared to be ___________by
me and are now fired from making any legal
determinations for me a Texian.
small By__________________
picture Title owner and secured party
Autograph

The word you write into the first blank is competent, and the second is incompetent. Some of the samples have you write your name on it after the I, and others have the name typed in. Some are written in from top to bottom, but all have the two words in the blanks written in by hand and the first line always starts past center to the right. It is about the size of a credit card and you get it laminated. It is supposed to have worked in California with an old man that was pulled over. After calling his supervisor about it, the cop was told to give the card back and leave Mr. so and so alone. I don't know if that is true, but that's what Rice Mcleod says on one of the tapes I have.

**********

This is a hoot. I have been declared an incompacited adult and they call me a ward. Whatever that means.

A sheriff drove up and seized my license. No Mowing violations and no reason given. Sealed file. May 11, 2004. I was stuck in Williamburg for 6 months waiting for state departmetn to send birth certificate. No ID so I stayed in a campground in a tent. DMV siad thata ws not proof of citizenship. I only had a licence in good standing since 1998 in VA and before that in FL.

They are trying to get me in Circuit Court and I refuse stating it is administrative with the DMV and a Judge has no jusridiciton. That is correct according to York County VA clerk of court. Then they are trying to have me go to Charlottesville, VA (Mental Institution site) for a driving tesst. I asked if the attired is a white jacket adn drugs of your choice?

PS: The whole incapaicitation is fraud I have not seen any orders nor was I serviced in Jan 98. They are just started stealing and lying and using an accountant as the straw man.

I have nothing to lose. Very desparate. The bike and bus are tough for a 64 year old lady.
Will foward email from sheriff. The file is sealed. Interesting.
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Old 10-16-2005, 11:05 AM
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This is a hoot. I have been declared an incompacited adult and they call me a ward. Whatever that means.

A sheriff drove up and seized my license. No Mowing violations and no reason given. Sealed file. May 11, 2004. I was stuck in Williamburg for 6 months waiting for state departmetn to send birth certificate. No ID so I stayed in a campground in a tent. DMV siad thata ws not proof of citizenship. I only had a licence in good standing since 1998 in VA and before that in FL.

They are trying to get me in Circuit Court and I refuse stating it is administrative with the DMV and a Judge has no jusridiciton. That is correct according to York County VA clerk of court. Then they are trying to have me go to Charlottesville, VA (Mental Institution site) for a driving tesst. I asked if the attired is a white jacket adn drugs of your choice?

PS: The whole incapaicitation is fraud I have not seen any orders nor was I serviced in Jan 98. They are just started stealing and lying and using an accountant as the straw man.

I have nothing to lose. Very desparate. The bike and bus are tough for a 64 year old lady.


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Will foward email from sheriff. The file is sealed. Interesting.

In response to your first question, a state issued driver's license is required to operate a motor vehicle in Virginia. Virginia does recognize licenses from other states and there are provisions for recognition of international driver's licenses. Further, one could have a valid license from another state and still have his privilege to drive suspended or revoked in Virginia.

In response to your second question, the courts have ruled that operating a motor vehicle is a privilege and not a right. No such right is guaranteed in either the U.S. Constitution nor the Virginia Constitution.

As far as recommending a lawyer, my code of ethics does not allow the recommendation on any specific attorney. My suggestion would be to contact the Virginia State Bar or conduct an internet search.

Sincerely,


J. D. "Danny" Diggs
Sheriff of York County & Poquoson
York-Poquoson Sheriff's Office
P.O. Box 99
301 Goodwin Neck Rd
Yorktown, VA 23690
Phone 757-890-3677
Fax 757-890-6678
www.yorkcounty.gov/sheriff

-----Original Message-----
From: Lowiq47@aol.com [mailto:Lowiq47@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Diggs, Danny
Cc: Uncommonwriter@aol.com; avie4me@atel.net; rlb40@cox.net; ChipHomes@aol.com; OmenHawk@aol.com; GLENDADUELL@aol.com
Subject: in re: Sheriff J. D. "Danny" Diggs.********* Driver's License matter.......



Dated: 10 October 2005: To: Sheriff J. D. "Danny" Diggs, et alia: Dear Sheriff Diggs, I am a Legal Investigative Reporter with CJO News Media and I just received this email from an ********* of Virginia Beach, Virginia with regard to her driver's license being taken from her.

I have two questions from you Sir if you would not mind? They are as follows, to wit:

Question # One: By law, are state issued Driver Licenses required in that state in order to drive a car?

Question # Two: Does the United States Constitution not grant that right to drive as a Constitutional Right and not a state granted privilege? (Keeping in mind of course a Commercial Driver's License to deliver goods for hire) And finally Sheriff Diggs, are there any state issued professionally licensed lawyers in that state that you personally know of who have been issued state issued law licenses to practice law? If so Sir, could you get back to me and give me their names and addresses for our News Desk? I thank you Sheriff Diggs. I remain in the interim,

Most Respectfully Yours,
Without Prejudice (UCC-1-207 & 308)

__________________________________________________ _____
Henry Joseph Ward, Junior, Sui Juris, Running Wolf (American Indian)
Legal Investigative Reporter with CJO News Media
C/o Post Office Box 530903
Lake Park, Florida CJO News Desk Phone: (561) 881-7578
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:06 PM
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Altho it's called the International Driving Permit, this document by itself does not actually authorize someone to drive. The IDP was created by a multinational agreement on highway access and is available for drivers of all kinds of vehicles including those drawn by animals.

Essentially, the IDP provides, in a number of major languages, the translation of much of the information on the holder's official DL, issued by his home govt. The IDP thereby enables the police and others to understand the data on a foreign DL issued in another language. Under the terms of the agreement, the IDP must be accompanied by the official DL, and issued by an office, either in or out of the govt, approved by the driver's home-country govt. The IDP must duplicate the information on the official DL -- any changes (e.g., in birthdate, height, name, etc) are forbidden; and, of course, the IDP is only to be used in foreign countries that use a different language.. In the US, the State Dept authorized the AAA and another national car service club (whose name momentarily escapes me) to issue IDPs (the AAA charges about $15 for an IDP - and it requires seeing the real DL before it works up the IDP).

By itself, without the conventional DL, the IDP does not permit someone to drive. An IDP issued in a different country than the one that issued the DL is unauthorized. A scam is being operated by people who advertise IDPs that allegedly enable someone to adopt a new identity, drive without a DL, be immune to traffic laws, and so forth. Some of these scammers are selling alleged IDPs out of a travel agency in the Caribbean ... and charging as much as $300 for it. But the IDP received for that money clearly does not meet the requirements of the international agreement.

In the US, there have been court decisions that resoundingly reject the use of an IDP as a substitute for a DL ... certainly not for an American driving on an American road. There have also been court decisions that an American's attempt to use, inside the US, an IDP - or the possession of an IDP with a name different from the real DL - is so suspicious that the police are entitled to search him and his car.
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:50 PM
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