"ticket?" help

[The Great Owl]

Sorry I've been inactive here this winter, I've been doing a lot of traveling. This month, I was stopped (arrested?) in Mississippi for "speeding". I was handed a presentment which I signed ARR in which I apparently agreed to appear in court on Mar 24th.

The extortionist thug that stopped me said that I can call the phone # on the "ticket" to find out what the fine is and pay it. Looking for some advice on what to do.

How do they feel they have the right to compel me to travel 1300 miles from where I reside to appear in some kangaroo court? This seems like licenced extortion to me. There must be some way to avoid this by mail.

Any ideas?

[joseph sugarman]

Owl, They don't feel they have a right to compel you to travel 1300 miles to some kangaroo court. They feel they have the right to compel you to pay the fine, and shutup about it.
As for solutions to not paying. Do not go back to Mississippi, EVER! Do not renew you license in your current state, EVER! Do not get stopped again by the police for anything, EVER! Get a United States passport for most identification purposes. Hurry and get a new driver's license in another state, NOW!. Or, in the alternative, go back to Mississippi and eliminate any witnesses. No competent witness, no case. Then appear a couple of times, and it will, be all over.
If you are still looking for a solution involving only writing to them, may I suggest a note including Jewish foreplay.....Please, Please, Please, Please. That should do it; it has always worked for me. Hope this helps. Joseph Sugarman, design@dream-home.com

I'd take Sugarman's advice with a grain of salt.

Getting a passport, if you don't know what you are doing, labels one as a US citizen.

Henry Franklin

[joseph sugarman]

Dear Henry, My passport was originally issued, and continues to be issued by the Secretary of State of the United States of America. My passport is titled on its face PASSPORT United States of America. As I remember, I did not even have to provied a social security number when I first received it. I paid a fee to the United States of America for the costs involved, I still do.
Perhaps you never travel abroad to countries which require a valid home, national passport, sometimes in combination with a visa issued by the host country. I travel often to those countries.
You offer the mystical admonition...."unless you know what you are doing...", but you offer no specific remedies. What specifically do you mean, and what are your solutions?
I have never been contacted, since 1973, by any officer of State or any other governmetal agency of the United States of America or the United States in any of its guises, whatever they are; to discuss any of my political or civic opinions on any subject, even travel.
Your statements seem to me to be nothing but misplaced puffery.
Respectfully submitted, Joseph Sugarman, design@dream-home.com

[mikah2k]

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[Shoonra]

Traffic tickets -- more officially called "traffic citations" -- are not contracts except to the effect that by signing it you guarantee your appearance in traffic court on the date provided. The consideration for this is that you are allowed to go on your way (sometimes without driving your vehicle) rather than being taken to the police station then and there.

"Refusal for cause" - a UCC action used (rarely) for financial transactions - are inappropriate responses to traffic citations and other court papers. Don't be too sure that this stunt won't backfire when the drivers license comes up for renewal.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by mikah2k

If it were me, I would
refuse for cause
All "tickets" are contracts, but they never give you valuable consideration.

or

Use
refuse for cause paper work

Enjoy!

P.S.
I have refused about six "tickets" (two travel related, one city ordinance related, one parking related, one resisting arrest, one failure to comply), in a.d. 2005.

The nice feature is that it is simple to do for yourself. You just need some guts and ink and paper and stamps and envelope.

This sounds like the most logic course. Unfortunately, I normally reside in New England so an appearance is out of the question. I never plan to return to Mississippi ever. The armed thug who is attempting to extort money from me was the only thing I saw in the whole pissant state.

So the 'consideration' on their part is agreeing to not kidnap me! What a bargaian...

I would rather not 'renew' my licence ever since I've learned that I don't need the state's permission to excercise a right. It's like going out to get a licence to go to church. It's my natural god given birthright. I'm also terribly disturbed about the domestic passport law "real ID act", and if it comes to it, I'm prepared to leave the USA before taking this mark of the beast. I figure if 10,000 mexicans can walk across the border every day, no one will notice one white guy walking the other way...

I would really like to fight this just on principle...and for the experience, but if it's impossible, I guess I'll just ignore it and hope I don't get kidnapped by some other stazi thug in attempt to extort some imaginary fee for services..or whatever they consider it.

Originally Posted by joseph sugarman

I have never been contacted, since 1973, by any officer of State or any other governmetal agency of the United States of America or the United States in any of its guises, whatever they are; to discuss any of my political or civic opinions on any subject, even travel.
Your statements seem to me to be nothing but misplaced puffery.
Respectfully submitted, Joseph Sugarman, design@dream-home.com

http://www.immihelp.com/docs/sample-...-passport.html

Of course they haven't contacted you. You have given them what they need. An admission that you are a US citizen. They own you. You are their property, by your admission.

Tell me that US citizen is not on the face of your passport. (I don't mean the cover)

As far as alternatives, there are several which are posted and written about here.

pacinlaw.org for example.


Puffery is defined as exaggerated praise, as in advertising. When did I do that?

Don't come in here touting passports, when the application form requires you to prove U.S. Citizenship.

How can you be a citizen of a dead, bankrupt corporation?

You just got owned. By the US, and by your own admission.

Sucks to be you.

Henry Franklin
(Not a US citizen)

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by joseph sugarman

Dear Henry, My passport was originally issued, and continues to be issued by the Secretary of State of the United States of America.

Well, citizenship is voluntary, Nationality is natural.

You obviously have volunteered to be a U.S. Citizen

The citizen cannot complain, because he has voluntarily submitted himself to such a form of government. He owes allegiance to the two departments, so to speak, and within their respective spheres must pay the penalties which each exacts for disobedience to its laws. United States vs. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, at 550

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part II

§ 1185. Travel control of citizens and aliens
(b) Citizens
. . . it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport.

So, you have willingly submitted to being presumed to be Federal Property. You have till 2008 to repent lest you be required to get a Nat'l ID card

LOL... 1300 miles for a ticket.. lol.. that is a hoot... how many states are between you and them... call them and tell them you arent going to show up...
its a ballsy move but its funny cuz they would have to expidite you across each state with a total cost of $25,000.00 each state... they wouldnt waste this much money on you for a $100 dollar ticket..