01-27-2008, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawdog
My boy, part of learning is being willing to accept that things might not be the way you wish them to be.
Then why is it that you continue to post information
that those on SuiJuris are not interested in?
Haven't you learned that this site isn't going to be the way you wish it to be?
Thom asserted that the motor vehicle code does not apply to a "freeman." I posted a case from the Supreme Court of Georgia, the state wherein we both reside, that proves that assertion to be false.
The case you posted does NOT prove the assertion to be false. The assertion doesn't pertain to the case you posted.
And don't bother quibbling over "drive" vs. "operate", or "automobile" vs. "motor vehicle." From Ga. Code 40-1-1, Motor Vehicles and Traffic: Definitions:
Those definitions apply to the fictional "person" not to a freeman, sovereign, one who is "thy master". That has been proven outside of case cites as process for this type can only be served on the fictional "person".
You lost this arguement. Would you now like to "join the group" or are you going to continue to create distractions?
What some person asserts on the internet is not the law. That's why I give cites...
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Are you able to give cites that pertain to what a SuiJuris man could apply?
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01-27-2008, 06:23 PM
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(75) "Vehicle" means every device in, upon, or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, excepting devices used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.
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What happens when I drive a device that is not transport or may not be transport for: "any person or property"...?
Why is this definition in terms of WHAT is being 'transported'?
LAWDOG won't answer this, and his silence speaks deafening volumes.
It's not about automobile vs motorvehicle- it's about focus vs distraction.
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01-27-2008, 06:34 PM
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Since most of us know the truth about free travel versus operation of a motor vehicle, i will leave that discussion alone. I have countless pages of court cases and cites to support a man's right to travel freely and without regulation. If one desires to operate a motor vehicle, then a license is required.
From an earlier post Lawdog mentioned there was no such word as attorner, however google provides almost 3000 matches for that term. Basic word etymology leads us to see that an attorner is one who attorns. Since you arent supposed to define a word with a word, lectlaw gives us this:
ATTORN / ATTORNMENT - To implicitly or explicitly consent to a transfer of a right. Usually describes a situation where a tenant accepts being a tenant of the new landlord by staying on location after sale of the leased property. Also, when a person consents to the jurisdiction of a court which otherwise would not have authority over the person. [Middle English attournen, from Old French atorner, to assign to : a-, to (from Latin ad-; see ad–) + torner, to turn
As for the cases that Lawdog has posted, I would simply say if you are dumb enough to go into court and argue with a PA and a robe about the traffic code and not realise that you are playing on their ball field by their rules and they have all the best players, then you get whatever you get..
SMJ/IPJ is the answer for this type of stuff for sure...
Thom
PS: i hope that Shoonra really doesnt believe the drivel that he posted at the bottom of page 9, however something tells me that he just might... The income tax was created to pad the pockets of the politicians and the banksters and pay interest on the ever increasing debt. Traffic codes serve the same purpose on a smaller scale, mainly for the municipal corporation that administers them.
PPS: "The word "person" in legal terminology is perceived as a general word which normally includes in its scope a variety of entities other than human beings. See e.g. 1 U.S.C. ss 1. Church of Scientology v. U.S. Dept. of Justice (1979) 612 F 2d 417, 425.
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01-27-2008, 06:44 PM
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Again, you must predicate what you write with some form of presumptive deprecating derision, because that is the sum total of what you offer here.
Once you have established presumptuous ridicule as predicate, everything that follows is irrelevant, meaningless fluff.
Ultimately, you are only practicing public self-deprecation, "my boy."
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My boy, part of learning is being willing to accept that things might not be the way you wish them to be.
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My boy, you need to copy that quote out and paste it to your own bathroom mirror.
My boy, don't you know better than to wield a double edged sword without knowing how to control it?
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01-27-2008, 10:29 PM
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simple definitions
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Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham
What happens when I drive a device that is not transport or may not be transport for: "any person or property"...?
Why is this definition in terms of WHAT is being 'transported'?
LAWDOG won't answer this, and his silence speaks deafening volumes.
It's not about automobile vs motorvehicle- it's about focus vs distraction.
HE WILL NOT ANSWER THIS POINT- prove me wrong!
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Your fetish for trying to split hairs that don't need splitting and won'r be split by any court is amazing, in a way.
When a statute does not give a specific definition for a term, courts will use the ordinary and usual meaning of the term based on the context in which the word is used. Yes, words can have more than one meaning, but context is important. If I write, "The first baseman got a double with his favorite bat," a person of any intelligence will know that the word "bat" in that sentence does not refer to a small mammal with leathery wings.
Transport: To carry from one place to another; convey. American Heritage Dictionary.
to carry, move, or convey from one place to another. Dictionary.com unabridged
You get in your car. You drive from point A to point
B. You have transported (moved) yourself from point A to point B.
It's just that simple.
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01-28-2008, 03:41 AM
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thanks for the no answer
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Lawdog:
Your fetish for trying to split hairs that don't need splitting and won'r be split by any court is amazing, in a way.
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We all have our pecadillos...every time an attorney tells me not to do something that's how I know there's more to it.
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Lawdog: You get in your car. You drive from point A to point
B. You have transported (moved) yourself from point A to point B.
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Sure- if the device may transport-"is allowed or contemplated for" this activity. Like being privileged through registration.
By the logic inherent in the statutory definition, it's also very possible something else happened. In every country/state around the world, when faced w/ the exact same logical challenge, the legislators felt it needful to qualify the sort of use to which a device is put. Not merely what it does, but on what/who it acts- who it moves, what it propels, etc.
Is a public bus used to move the driver? Or the passengers? You gonna state here that the purpose of a public bus is to carry the driver???!!!??? Like the bus driver is going from "port to port"? Does a freight truck carry the operator, or the freight?
Can't show one case where anyone plead "failure to claim vehicle", or argued the finer hairs of "transportation" vs "private transit"?
Then I rest my case until further notice. We breathlessly await any substantial response from the clergy...
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01-28-2008, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Lawdog
Your fetish for trying to split hairs that don't need splitting and won'r be split by any court is amazing, in a way.
You get in your car. You drive from point A to point
B. You have transported (moved) yourself from point A to point B.
It's just that simple.
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01-28-2008, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lawdog
When a statute does not give a specific definition for a term, courts will use the ordinary and usual meaning of the term based on the context in which the word is used.
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"When a statute does not give a specific definition for a term" it is more than likely for the purpose of rendering it vague.
"Define your terms" is a maxim of effective writing.
The premise: "ordinary and usual meaning of the term" is vague, arbitrary, and open to abuse.
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"The first baseman got a double with his favorite bat," a person of any intelligence will know that the word "bat" in that sentence does not refer to a small mammal with leathery wings.
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01-29-2008, 12:50 AM
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Waking Up
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I am brand new.....Help....please.....
I can't seem to figure out how to post a new thread and I have also tried searching information as to what to do as far as being stopped for a dui, of course after one is already in the system.
After reading all the post here I do know that I will never hold a drivers license again.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Bobby
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