My experience in travelling with a suspended license

A couple of years ago, when i foolishly was driving around with a suspended license, i was pulled over and handed the cop a declaratory judgment from the federal court in my area. Ok, i got this halfway right at the time. The point of this post is the cop actually took the time to read my judgment from the judge to see if i could travel without license. ( the declaratory judgment was in my favor, but worded by the judge as if i lost.) anyway,i learned from that experience that if you have your ducks in a row with this travel stuff, its a veery good chance they will not mess with you like raptor x is showing with his experiences. Have your paperwork in order, ESPECIALLY, GET IT RECORDED INTO THE LOCAL COURTHOUSE, any travel tools you use, put it into the public record and give the cop a copy, make copies to hand out to them. This should eliminate any problems with them. And, by all means, if you have a suspended license, most states will not take it out of the system even if you rescind your license, so, what you must do is DO NOT give the officer a social security number. tell him you dont have one for whatever reason and show him a foreign identification card. If he ties you to a suspended drivers license, you are going to jail no if ands or buts.

wait a minute. after reading kitchie's post in regard to the drivers license, i may be in error about a major point. The point is this, i said if they can tie you with a suspended license, you will go to jail, but kitchie made a post saying that even if you have a license, if you are not engaged in commerce at that time, you cannot be required to have it on you at that time. makes since to me.

[Raptor13x]

I'm interested in the automobile "flag" information you mentioned in the other thread, about how a license plate is in-effect a flag marking property as owned by the STATE, and therefore under it's jurisdiction. How does this explain how you can get pulled over and fined while traveling in a different state?

Also, does anybody know if drivers record info is available to police officers outside of your home state?


I think there's definately something in the Private Property, Not for Hire concept, its been working great.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Raptor13x

I'm interested in the automobile "flag" information you mentioned in the other thread, about how a license plate is in-effect a flag marking property as owned by the STATE, and therefore under it's jurisdiction. How does this explain how you can get pulled over and fined while traveling in a different state?

Also, does anybody know if drivers record info is available to police officers outside of your home state?

I think there's definately something in the Private Property, Not for Hire concept, its been working great.

Emphasis added.

The Matrix, Here are some articals that may help:

According to Congressional testimony and news reports, The Matrix (which stands for “Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange”) creates dossiers about individuals from government databases and private-sector information companies that compile files on Americans’ activities for profit. It then makes those dossiers available for search by federal and state law enforcement officers. In addition, Matrix workers comb through the millions of files in a search for “anomalies” that may be indicative of terrorist or other criminal activity.

While company officials have refused to disclose details of the program, according to news reports the kind of information to be searched includes credit histories, driver’s license photographs, marriage and divorce records, Social Security numbers, dates of birth, and the names and addresses of family members, neighbors and business associates.

Raising even more issues, the Matrix is operated by a private company, Seisint Inc. of Boca Raton, Florida. Ironically, the company’s founder was forced to resign after information about his own past came to light: according to Florida police, he was formerly a drug smuggler who had piloted multiple planeloads of cocaine from Colombia to the U.S.

http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=14257&c=130


State-by-State Breakdown on Participation in MATRIX, State Involvement in the MATRIX Program:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=14738&c=207

Other information:

The flip side of database snooping
February 7, 2005, 4:00 AM PT
By Declan McCullagh

Adm. John Poindexter, the Bush administration official responsible for the Total Information Awareness project, is not exactly chastened by Congress's pulling the plug on his idea. "One of the remarkable things about ideas is that once you surface an idea, and it is a good idea, in the long term there is very little that can be done to stop it," Poindexter says of his proposals for aggressive data mining. "So I am convinced that research and development will continue, one way or another." Poindexter even hints that money for similar efforts remains buried deep within the Pentagon's budget.

Emphasis added

http://news.com.com/The+flip+side+of+datab..._3-5563897.html

As Rick Montgomery of the Kansas City Star (11/24/2002) article “Big Brother? Or weapon against terror?” states:

Buy medicine, and a federal database fattens. Earn a B in chemistry, and it is stored somewhere, ready to be accessed by authorities…A global supercomputer may have you bookmarked[beastmarked?]. Nonetheless, the awarding of research contracts and the stepped-up marketing of Total Information Awareness have critics of various political shades serving up their own phrase: ‘Big Brother.’…Most troubling to some is the prospect of one government overseeing so much data on the lives of so many people, most of them innocent.

Here, we see that the corrupt Adm. John Poindexter is admitting that he will not follow the will of the Congress or the People. Why should this convicted Iran – Contra conspirator hold any public office? Observe how he wants to fund the Total Information Awareness project with money apparently from the Pentagon's budget "Black Budget" that is alleged to have billions and billions of tax-dollors, yet, no Constitutional oversight. See how Adm. John Poindexter acts like this project is his private kingdom, and he will claim his subjects, for himself and his master(s).

Government May Soon Track You by Your License Plate:

The reason for the concern in the legal and privacy-rights communities is that e-plates may expand the ability of police to track individuals by the movement of their vehicles. A single RFID reader can identify dozens of vehicles fitted with e-plates moving at any speed at a distance of about 100 yards.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/45514.html

Power corrupts, absolute power, corrupts absolutely. –unknown

Enjoy.

For more on this and related topics:

http://www.privacy.org/

http://famguardian.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=361

[weasel]

I think the unknown quote was from Machiavelli. too lazy to run a search, though.

"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end...liberty is the only object which benefits all alike, and provokes no sincere opposition...The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to to govern. Every class is unfit to govern...Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Acton

[fulltitle]

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Originally Posted by Raptor13x

I'm interested in the automobile "flag" information you mentioned in the other thread, about how a license plate is in-effect a flag marking property as owned by the STATE, and therefore under it's jurisdiction. How does this explain how you can get pulled over and fined while traveling in a different state?

Also, does anybody know if drivers record info is available to police officers outside of your home state?


I think there's definately something in the Private Property, Not for Hire concept, its been working great.

To my knowledge all U.S. Territories, U.S. States and Canadian Provinces have agreements acknowledging one another's plates. There is also this thing called 'comity' and it correlates to 'full faith and credit'. Since say the France doesnt have an agreement with the 5-O States, driving with French tags would genreally be a no-no. Again the presumption is French tags means French commerce. Private non-commercial tags would not apparently bear.

Perhaps they are "transportation-revenue agreements". Also, there are certain things they wont/cant fine you for with out of state tags. It may be those things that are legal in the foreign state [cop's perspective] that are illegal in the non-foreign state and/or their inability to make a presumption or determination as to what is in your license-"contract". There may also be a presumption that you are 'in itinere' when you have foreign tags [cop's perspective] as well.

Police stations can actually radio or phone (perhaps even fax) police stations out of state to find information on tags or license [cop to clerk communications (?) me thinks]. The Anti-Patriot acts and the Department of Rheinland Security--oops, thats Homel4nd Security, right(?)--pretty much appears to have bypassed or to catalyze the bypass information exchange barriers. However, just FYI NCIC licenses prevent cops from running random searches. Unless this has changed, an entire county or city can be heavily fined *and* lose access to NCIC from *one* single unauthorized snoop. Perhaps this may change?

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by sagas4

"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end...liberty is the only object which benefits all alike, and provokes no sincere opposition...The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to to govern. Every class is unfit to govern...Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Acton

Thank you for the information.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by fulltitle

WITHOUT PREJUDICE


To my knowledge all U.S. Territories, U.S. States and Canadian Provinces have agreements acknowledging one another's plates. There is also this thing called 'comity' and it correlates to 'full faith and credit'. Since say the France doesnt have an agreement with the 5-O States, driving with French tags would genreally be a no-no. Again the presumption is French tags means French commerce. Private non-commercial tags would not apparently bear.

Perhaps they are "transportation-revenue agreements". Also, there are certain things they wont/cant fine you for with out of state tags. It may be those things that are legal in the foreign state [cop's perspective] that are illegal in the non-foreign state and/or their inability to make a presumption or determination as to what is in your license-"contract". There may also be a presumption that you are 'in itinere' when you have foreign tags [cop's perspective] as well.

Police stations can actually radio or phone (perhaps even fax) police stations out of state to find information on tags or license [cop to clerk communications (?) me thinks]. The Anti-Patriot acts and the Department of Rheinland Security--oops, thats Homel4nd Security, right(?)--pretty much appears to have bypassed or to catalyze the bypass information exchange barriers. However, just FYI NCIC licenses prevent cops from running random searches. Unless this has changed, an entire county or city can be heavily fined *and* lose access to NCIC from *one* single unauthorized snoop. Perhaps this may change?

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yea but how do WE prove to a court of "law" that the agent BROKE, umm, violated a private contract?

I just remembered what the great man of god, John Hagee of Texas once said, "You dont break God's law, God's law breaks you." rofl, i love that line!

Originally Posted by idknow

I just remembered what the great man of god, John Hagee of Texas once said, "You dont break God's law, God's law breaks you." rofl, i love that line!

John Hagee, great man of god [sic] is right.

Not "the" God, just a god.

See this link.

Henry Franklin