zip code voluntary and jurisdiction

[Shoonra]

Zip code may be voluntary but ....

(1) I haven't found even one court decision that says to a defendant (in essence) "Because you won't use a zip code we can't do anything to you, even though you clearly live at such-and-such address."

(2) Courts seem to prefer using zip codes, and some apparently insist on it - and will look it up in the USPS directory or something even if the party won't provide it. In the case of a plaintiff refusing to use a zip code, the court may simply dismiss his case because, although he wants to commence a case as plaintiff, he won't comply with the court's instructions about mailing addresses; Russell v. Clark (6th Cir 2/9/99) 178 F3d 1296.

In the case of defendants refusing to use zip codes, the courts have said the following:
(a) Even if the defendant attempts to "refuse" papers that have his zip code in the address, and mails those papers back unopened, the court will regard him as having been served with the papers and of being aware of their contents. US v. Carr (ED Penn 1/28/99); Ferguson v. Alabama Crim. Justice Info. Center (MD Alab 4/23/97) 962 F.Supp 1146. and
(b) If the defendant's refusal to use zip codes causes delivery of mail sent by him or to him to be delayed, thereby causing him to miss deadlines, that's his problem and he will get no elasticity about the slow mail delivery. State v. Kemp (ND Alab 1/8/97) 952 F.Supp 722.

Now, if anyone has a case where the court said that the use or non-use of a party's zip code, was, by itself, dispositive of whether the court had jurisdiction over him, I'd like to see it.

[KITCHIE]

In law when you write something as if it is not there you, format the item using four corners, i.e. brackets.

Reno [89510] Nevada state

Kitchie

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Zip code may be voluntary but ....

(1) I haven't found even one court decision that says to a defendant (in essence) "Because you won't use a zip code we can't do anything to you, even though you clearly live at such-and-such address."

(2) Courts seem to prefer using zip codes, and some apparently insist on it - and will look it up in the USPS directory or something even if the party won't provide it. In the case of a plaintiff refusing to use a zip code, the court may simply dismiss his case because, although he wants to commence a case as plaintiff, he won't comply with the court's instructions about mailing addresses; Russell v. Clark (6th Cir 2/9/99) 178 F3d 1296.

In the case of defendants refusing to use zip codes, the courts have said the following:
(a) Even if the defendant attempts to "refuse" papers that have his zip code in the address, and mails those papers back unopened, the court will regard him as having been served with the papers and of being aware of their contents. US v. Carr (ED Penn 1/28/99); Ferguson v. Alabama Crim. Justice Info. Center (MD Alab 4/23/97) 962 F.Supp 1146. and
(b) If the defendant's refusal to use zip codes causes delivery of mail sent by him or to him to be delayed, thereby causing him to miss deadlines, that's his problem and he will get no elasticity about the slow mail delivery. State v. Kemp (ND Alab 1/8/97) 952 F.Supp 722.

Now, if anyone has a case where the court said that the use or non-use of a party's zip code, was, by itself, dispositive of whether the court had jurisdiction over him, I'd like to see it.

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http://ecclesia.org/ has much regarding the meaning, source and use of mail in all its varied forms.

[planetmark]

I always use the following format for mail, and have had no complaints, problems, delays, or questions about it yet:


Planetmark
c/o: non domestic
123 Main Street; near:
My City, Washington (12345)


"c/o: non domestic" means that it's not Washington DC.
The use of semi-colon and colon are normal English grammer, so using the ; after street says the next stuff is a different but related sentence. The "near:" means "NEAR - not IN" with a colon designating that the following info is a list of related info. State name spelled out, NOT the federal zone "abbreviation"/designation. And the zip in brackets to help the mail people if they need it. But since all that is in a list designated "near:", I'm officially declaring I'm NEAR but NOT IN that zipcode-identified city, or the zipcode shown.

All the info the mail carriers and post office workers are used to seeing is there, in a very familiar format they are used to working with so they don't hurt themselves. But it also has all the needed "disclaimers" to deny Federal citizenship assumed through use of the zipcode, etc. And all my mail gets to me every time with no post office hassles.

[Shoonra]

I used the ecclesia link that IDKNOW provided, but I could not locate the zip code citations.

If someone knows of the sort of court decision, about zip codes, that I wanted to see, I'd appreciate the citation so I can look it up for myself.

[squirrel]

In the matter of U.S. v. Austin G. Cooper, it was argued that the mere act of placing an envelope in the mailbox obligated one to pay off the entire national debt. Because the Constitution obligates congress to provide a post office and maintain post roads, and congress has FAILED in the performance of their DUTIES to the American People, we may write "without recourse" on the envelope or "no recourse" on the envelope.

This signifies that if the constitutionally imposed form of delivery of mail were available, we would have used that service.

The hidden contract reffered to in U.S. v. Austin G. Cooper is therefore made void through impossibility.

[Shoonra]

I made valiant efforts to find the court decision in the case of Austin Gary Cooper. He was the defendant in a civil action brought in Colorado in 2003-2004 that produced three decisions available on Lexis & WestLaw. None mention the zip code or the post office, except to the fact that he was using the mails to distribute fraudulent publications.

The first of those cases mentioned that he had been sentenced to prison back in 1990. It turned out that was a jury trial in Florida, so it did not produce any judge's opinion. He was sentenced to two and a half years in the slammer for tax fraud & evasion.

Judging from other comments on the net, the judge supposedly said that because Cooper had been using the US mail he was, therefore, a citizen. This is absurd and no judge would say this. A non-citizen in the US for any reason or span of time, even on a airport stopover, would have no choice but use the USPS, and it wouldn't confer US citizenship on him. Nor would citizenship be an issue in his trial, a non-citizen pulling the same stunts would similarly go to prison. But I found on the net a pdf file of one of Cooper's homebrewed pleadings and he talks nonsense. If he is the source of this non-sequitor attributed to the judge, I would not be surprised.

No. There isn't any court decision that says that using a zip code gives the court or the govt more authority than otherwise. If someone has a citation - real citation - to a case that says otherwise, please speak up.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

I made valiant efforts to find the court decision in the case of Austin Gary Cooper. He was the defendant in a civil action brought in Colorado in 2003-2004 that produced three decisions available on Lexis & WestLaw. None mention the zip code or the post office, except to the fact that he was using the mails to distribute fraudulent publications.

[cut]

No. There isn't any court decision that says that using a zip code gives the court or the govt more authority than otherwise. If someone has a citation - real citation - to a case that says otherwise, please speak up.

what are the proper party names?

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

I made valiant efforts to find the court decision in the case of Austin Gary Cooper. He was the defendant in a civil action brought in Colorado in 2003-2004 that produced three decisions available on Lexis & WestLaw. None mention the zip code or the post office, except to the fact that he was using the mails to distribute fraudulent publications.

The first of those cases mentioned that he had been sentenced to prison back in 1990. It turned out that was a jury trial in Florida, so it did not produce any judge's opinion. He was sentenced to two and a half years in the slammer for tax fraud & evasion.

Judging from other comments on the net, the judge supposedly said that because Cooper had been using the US mail he was, therefore, a citizen. This is absurd and no judge would say this. A non-citizen in the US for any reason or span of time, even on a airport stopover, would have no choice but use the USPS, and it wouldn't confer US citizenship on him. Nor would citizenship be an issue in his trial, a non-citizen pulling the same stunts would similarly go to prison. But I found on the net a pdf file of one of Cooper's homebrewed pleadings and he talks nonsense. If he is the source of this non-sequitor attributed to the judge, I would not be surprised.

No. There isn't any court decision that says that using a zip code gives the court or the govt more authority than otherwise. If someone has a citation - real citation - to a case that says otherwise, please speak up.

I love googling!
Here's what i've found so far.


USDC COLORADO DISTRICT, Austin Gary Cooper and his wife Martha.

another google keyword: +TBAFoundation
found:
http://www.hiwaay.net/~becraft/BAR.html
mentioned @ecclesia.org
http://GaryScott.com/archives

i'll look into opinions re mail next.

[squirrel]

My only point was to write without recourse or no recourse on the envelope.

Thats it.

Shoonra.

You never did answer my questions from the other post.
you know, the lying, the steeling of the Peoples sustenance through fraud, the secret oath not to expose the bankrupcy, the involvement in a conspiracy to overthrow the American Republic.

What kind of citations can you come up with that will give the People the reason you can do this LAWFULLY.