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Old 11-07-2005, 02:36 PM
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well i hate to do this but i feel i must..
I must shove this site down all your throats if you dont already have it that is.
Its only because i care or mabey i just like pushing links on people either way is fine i think
I just wish someone gave me this site 3 years ago or something like it.
here you go hope it helps someone.
And ive noticed some forums dont allow other forums to be posted on there's i dont realy know if that rule applys here or not, It says forum in its name but its not.
http://freedomforumoc.tripod.com/fre...endedlinks.htm
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Old 11-07-2005, 05:35 PM
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remember we are all here to learn...smiles

there is more to them than the oath, forin agents statement will **** them up EVERYTIME!!! have you ever asked a cop for his liscense?

here it seems they need some kinda liscense to be a cop, im lookin into this one so DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THIS UNTILL I HAVE. this is just a thought of mine and im talkin bout smack wit a few buds is all. anyway the liscense is at the court as i understand it for now.



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razor,

Im sure yer gonna educate me on this one....but I will venture out and say the oath of office they all 3 take.

Im sure HB's repsonse saying....I gotta gun/tazer and I'll shoot yer sorry a$$ is correct as well
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Old 11-07-2005, 05:37 PM
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remember we are all here to learn...smiles

there is more to them than the oath, forin agents statement will **** them up EVERYTIME!!! have you ever asked a cop for his liscense?

here it seems they need some kinda liscense to be a cop, im lookin into this one so DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THIS UNTILL I HAVE. this is just a thought of mine and im talkin bout smack wit a few buds is all. anyway the liscense is at the court as i understand it for now.
look it up in usc i think or google it but spell it riot.

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razor,

Im sure yer gonna educate me on this one....but I will venture out and say the oath of office they all 3 take.

Im sure HB's repsonse saying....I gotta gun/tazer and I'll shoot yer sorry a$$ is correct as well
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Old 11-07-2005, 05:57 PM
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Vlaud, no offense ment but...

horse****!!!

how much of this are you willin to go to court with? remeber the only thing that works in court is statute they dont give a damn bout you bein right wrong or wot you think. its statute, or the concluesive presumpsiton of the matter. keep in mind i only do traffic, but with all things you have to set up the conslusive presumpsition that you are riot. so look in your rules of court where you are find out what a judge can and cant do, cop and pros also hold them to it!!!










QUOTE=Vlaud]Well my opinion on this is
1) He has a Gun, A shiny Badge, And a hell of a fancy costume. Which causes fear thus compliance.
2) Everyone has been trained, not so much on what to think but How To THINK,
when we look at cops or judge.
Example: why do you or any of us at anytime feel as if these people just people who parade around in black robes, black costumes, Guns, gavals and other wardrobe attire Have any mystical power or authority (from who i ask) to tell, order or demand us to do ANYTHING what so ever?
where do we get this misconception that people that once called them selve public servents & now officials (offials of who i ask) can inforced any law (whos law?) on anything upon you me or joe blow. Where is it said that anyone must follow a law that someone else that has no more rights then you or me they are just men and women dressed up in funny lookin attire why does that give them power over our lives for god sakes??
They say that they get there power from the people. I ask what people?
who gives them this power? i didnt willfuly give them anything Did you?. you can say i contracted or you contracted, but you didnt because the contract didnt have a meeting of the minds there was no full disclosure of the contract for one among many other things that are needed for a contract to be valid. So that blows that theory out of the water. Then we go back again they say they get their power from the people, again we cannot give away what we do not have to begin with, i do not have the power to tell you what to do so how can i give what i do not have to someone else, You can not.
also that you can not sell or give away what is unalienable "not transferrable"
meaning you can not give or sell your rights for they are not yours to do do so with they are a gift from god he owns them you use them they are not yours to give away.
So we the people cannot give these men and women acting as a government (whos government?) any power to do anything, let alone power over others.

so back to your question what makes a cop a cop or judge a judge?
It is you me and everyone else who thinks in a pervers matter that these men & women have any mystical power or right to do anything that they are doing
I just think that is sick and its sicker that some of these people beleive this dung heep.
as mark steven says "don't distort add to or delet from reality" in dealing with anything. so to finaly answer your question
a cop is not a cop unless you allow the distorshin of reality to take control or your mind. samething with judges a judge is just a man or woman with a sick desire to dominate others, (actrully most not all bureaucrats have this sickness and anyone that has dealed with them knows this or should) and they wear black robes, slam gavels when they have a hissy fit and order other sick minions around as if it was just a game of chess while they sit high on their godly throne.
Its just an act nothing more nothing less. They are playing a game where they make the rules up while they go along whithout ever telling you they are changing them, or what the rules were to begin with.
They are scamming you in a game that you can never truly win.
And until you realise Who you are and who they are And the game they hope you never see through you will always lose.
Your only hope is to get out of there win lose game you MUST get out of there fairy tale wonder land And Turn there Court(there game) into your court(reality).
if anyone see's where i am wrong please inform me.


Now i ask you what makes a cop a cop and a judge a judge?[/quote]
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Old 11-07-2005, 06:00 PM
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I carry these in my conveyance

See attached pic.

Henry Franklin
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Old 11-07-2005, 06:53 PM
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now thats what im talkin bout...

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See attached pic.

Henry Franklin

that aint nothin but good thinkin! the only thing i would do different is to NOTICE them of my intentions and let them know ima hold them to the law they sposed to uphold.

thats the way you do it hb!!!! you might wanna plan on gettin a parkin ticket or something let me no in advance ok id love to work with u on it!

raz
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:38 AM
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rewrite

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As to the way I type, this is the way I talk. Yes, even in court. I started talking this way to confound them and its kinda stuck. As to hood time,...I live in "the hood". I am a man who has been arrested for smiply not hearing what the cop said. (yes seriously) As to the cites, of course ill share. Not all states have the same statutes and/or rules of court, so you may be looking for something similar. and yes you can cite rules of court just as fast as you can a statute.

Pretrial paperwork submitted,

Notice Of Revocation And Revocation Of Commercial Account, which includes the commercial account. complete with a copy of the receipt clearly stamped Oct of 94. This document is about the revoking of various powers of attorney expressed and implied from all judges and etc. Both the judge and the PA received a copy of this 3 or 4 days after I got the tickets. I remember reading somewhere on Sj that you are assumed to be a corporation unless you deny it by affidavit. Well this affidavit is over 10 years old and unrebutted. my paperwork has cites from the following:

F.R.C.P. FEDERAL RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURES
U.C.C. UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE
U.S.C. UNITED STATES CODES
U.S.C.A. UNITED STATES CODES ANNOTATED

Here we can use signature for an example

We find the cites from the ucc talking about signature and state statute talking about signatures as well. They say "if you don't sign your not liable" so I would use this as its covered by at least 2 cites. And so on down the line. The only difference between my federal work and my ticket work is in the ticket work I also use state statute. Now the big difference for me is im not trying to tell them how or why im not guilty, but rather whats wrong with their procedure and im doing it using their statutes.

The following are some of the statutes I used throughout the case. Starting with the one everyone `s been asking about.

http://www.16thcircuit.org/localrules/rules.asp

Rule 4 - Filing of Cases

Rule 4.9 - Special or Private Process Servers

1. Any person serving process within Jackson County, Missouri, whether through appointment by the court or otherwise, must establish by affidavit that he or she meets the qualifications provided in section (3)(b) of this rule, as stated below.

>>do cops meet such requirements? But the part everyone wants is found at
3b (6) Not be related to or employed by a party in the action
as cops are working for cities, municipalities, and police boards they are employed by a party in the action. Yes im aware that it says special and private process servers but here there are o public process servers, and having checked to see if the cops name was on the list kept by the court to issue process (it wasn't ) then he failed to meet the standards needed to issue summons.

Whether it was this or the paperwork or the combination you decide

and HB is right it starts with frcp 4, goes to 4.9 supra then there was no verifaction of the presentment and a few more things but im sure you get the idea.

as to the rewrites....this is the only one. .

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Old 11-09-2005, 07:54 PM
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cops judges an pa's

cops judges and pa's...all have the same underpenning, stuff they need to have to do the job but dont have ever. its your job to find and use it against them. startin wit the oath where was it done in the US or uSA is there a lack of territorial jursidiction? if so how does it exist? what you did aint the issue so dont traverse for them. then you agree and you have to defend. use the statutes to make them back up off you. one way to do that is with a NOTICE OF WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT Tthis gives them the chance to rebut your stuff before you start. if they fail to rebut then they agree with you about what you said. ie:

NOTICE OF MISSPELLINGS AN USE OF SLANG

i, the undersigned notice the board of sui juris that from here on out the undersigned will use slang and dont have to do no mo rewrites.

court cases

statutes

court rules

federal rules of evidence

or whatevea ya got here.

more to it but i gotta go

remember to have fun with this if it aint fun u messed up somewhere...

raz
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Old 11-09-2005, 08:13 PM
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Thank you,

May I have some more please?

Henry Franklin
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Old 11-10-2005, 06:45 AM
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for hb

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Thank you,

May I have some more please?

Henry Franklin

first as again none of you rebutted my notice that means i win again. now i no longer have to do rewrites and you have agreed to any slang i choose tu use.

thats about how simple it is, you send it they rebut or fail to do so and if they do you can dis them or stand in honor by doin a conditional acceptance which i havent done yet but im puttin one together.

think of your situation and what you want to do, apply the verbage to your paperwork and thats the start. so for hb i would do something like this

NOTICE TO ALL PO PO'S PA'S AN BLACKROBED HOODS

Herein after known as the gang, after having read the statutes and regulations finding nothing appling to ______, the undersigned is not in recipt of the gang's grant of territorial jursidiction therefor does requests same.

the gang's grant of territorial jursidiction.

notice is hereby given the undersigned is a state national it is the belief of the undersigned that blah blah blah

and sure you can do this in the form of an affidavit as long as you dont argue keep it simple state your negitve statements and leave it alone.

and again yall did loose cos yall didnt rebut an you cant demurre either, if you rebut you dishonor me and if you demurre then you agree wit me. next time ima take all yall to the store yall gonna by me some ice cream!

raz
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