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Old 11-06-2005, 09:49 PM
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the rewrite

As to the way I type, this is the way I talk. Yes, even in court. I started talking this way to confound them and its kinda stuck. As to hood time,…I live in “the hood”. I am a man who has been arrested for smiply not hearing what the cop said. (yes seriously) As to the cites, of course ill share. Not all states have the same statutes and/or rules of court, so you may be looking for something similar. and yes you can cite rules of court just as fast as you can a statute.

Pretrial paperwork submitted,

Notice Of Revocation And Revocation Of Commercial Account, which includes the commercial account. complete with a copy of the receipt clearly stamped Oct of 94. This document is about the revoking of various powers of attorney expressed and implied from all judges and etc. Both the judge and the PA received a copy of this 3 or 4 days after I got the tickets. I remember reading somewhere on Sj that you are assumed to be a corporation unless you deny it by affidavit. Well this affidavit is over 10 years old and unrebutted. my paperwork has cites from the following:

F.R.C.P. FEDERAL RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURES
U.C.C. UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE
U.S.C. UNITED STATES CODES
U.S.C.A. UNITED STATES CODES ANNOTATED

Here we can use signature for an example

We find the cites from the ucc talking about signature and state statute talking about signatures as well. They say “if you don’t sign your not liable” so I would use this as its covered by at least 2 cites. And so on down the line. The only difference between my federal work and my ticket work is in the ticket work I also use state statute. Now the big difference for me is im not trying to tell them how or why im not guilty, but rather whats wrong with their procedure and im doing it using their statutes.

The following are some of the statutes I used throughout the case. Starting with the one everyone ‘s been asking about.

http://www.16thcircuit.org/localrules/rules.asp

Rule 4 - Filing of Cases

Rule 4.9 - Special or Private Process Servers

1. Any person serving process within Jackson County, Missouri, whether through appointment by the court or otherwise, must establish by affidavit that he or she meets the qualifications provided in section (3)(b) of this rule, as stated below.

>>do cops meet such requirements? But the part everyone wants is found at
3b (6) Not be related to or employed by a party in the action
as cops are working for cities, municipalities, and police boards they are employed by a party in the action. Yes im aware that it says special and private process servers but here there are o public process servers, and having checked to see if the cops name was on the list kept by the court to issue process (it wasn’t ) then he failed to meet the standards needed to issue summons.

Whether it was this or the paperwork or the combination you decide

and HB is right it starts with frcp 4, goes to 4.9 supra then there was no verifaction of the presentment and a few more things but im sure you get the idea.

as to the rewrites....this is the only one. .

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Old 11-06-2005, 10:15 PM
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Thanks Str8.

You da man. (Just for the record, North Carolina has made this (not a party) thing invisibile.

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Old 11-07-2005, 02:58 AM
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Looks like Michigan gets around this requirement under their court rules....

Rule 2.103 Process; Who may serve
(A) Service Generally. Process in civil actions may be served by any legally competent adult who is not a party or an officer of a corporate party.
(B) Service Requiring Seizure of Property. A writ of restitution or process requiring the seizure or attachment of property may only be served by
(1) a sheriff or deputy sheriff, or a bailiff or court officer appointed by the court for that purpose,
(2) an officer of the Department of State Police in an action in which the state is a party, or
(3) a police officer of an incorporated city or village in an action in which the city or village is a party. A writ of garnishment may be served by any person authorized by subrule (A).
(C) Service in a Governmental Institution. If personal service of process is to be made on a person in a governmental institution, hospital, or home, service must be made by the person in charge of the institution or by someone designated by that person.
(D) Process Requiring Arrest. Process in civil proceedings requiring the arrest of a person may be served only by a sheriff, deputy sheriff, or police officer, or by a court officer appointed by the court for that purpose.

Would the fact that the copper who wrote the ticket and is the complainant still disqualify him from serving? I can see the rule as being valid if he/she were just serving papers on behalf of the municipality in which he has no personal involvement in the case.

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Old 11-07-2005, 10:09 AM
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livewire

i have a question for you.

what makes a cop a cop, a judge a judge, and the pa the pa?
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Old 11-07-2005, 10:12 AM
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i have a question for you.

what makes a cop a cop, a judge a judge, and the pa the pa?

(a) guns

or

(b) consent of the governed

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Old 11-07-2005, 12:08 PM
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razor,

Im sure yer gonna educate me on this one....but I will venture out and say the oath of office they all 3 take.

Im sure HB's repsonse saying....I gotta gun/tazer and I'll shoot yer sorry a$$ is correct as well
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Old 11-07-2005, 12:40 PM
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As to the way I type, this is the way I talk. Yes, even in court. I started talking this way to confound them and its kinda stuck. As to hood time,...I live in "the hood". I am a man who has been arrested for smiply not hearing what the cop said. (yes seriously) As to the cites, of course ill share. Not all states have the same statutes and/or rules of court, so you may be looking for something similar. and yes you can cite rules of court just as fast as you can a statute.

Pretrial paperwork submitted,

Notice Of Revocation And Revocation Of Commercial Account, which includes the commercial account. complete with a copy of the receipt clearly stamped Oct of 94. This document is about the revoking of various powers of attorney expressed and implied from all judges and etc. Both the judge and the PA received a copy of this 3 or 4 days after I got the tickets. I remember reading somewhere on Sj that you are assumed to be a corporation unless you deny it by affidavit. Well this affidavit is over 10 years old and unrebutted. my paperwork has cites from the following:

F.R.C.P. FEDERAL RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURES
U.C.C. UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE
U.S.C. UNITED STATES CODES
U.S.C.A. UNITED STATES CODES ANNOTATED

Here we can use signature for an example

We find the cites from the ucc talking about signature and state statute talking about signatures as well. They say "if you don't sign your not liable" so I would use this as its covered by at least 2 cites. And so on down the line. The only difference between my federal work and my ticket work is in the ticket work I also use state statute. Now the big difference for me is im not trying to tell them how or why im not guilty, but rather whats wrong with their procedure and im doing it using their statutes.

The following are some of the statutes I used throughout the case. Starting with the one everyone `s been asking about.

http://www.16thcircuit.org/localrules/rules.asp

Rule 4 - Filing of Cases

Rule 4.9 - Special or Private Process Servers

1. Any person serving process within Jackson County, Missouri, whether through appointment by the court or otherwise, must establish by affidavit that he or she meets the qualifications provided in section (3)(b) of this rule, as stated below.

>>do cops meet such requirements? But the part everyone wants is found at
3b (6) Not be related to or employed by a party in the action
as cops are working for cities, municipalities, and police boards they are employed by a party in the action. Yes im aware that it says special and private process servers but here there are o public process servers, and having checked to see if the cops name was on the list kept by the court to issue process (it wasn't ) then he failed to meet the standards needed to issue summons.

Whether it was this or the paperwork or the combination you decide

and HB is right it starts with frcp 4, goes to 4.9 supra then there was no verifaction of the presentment and a few more things but im sure you get the idea.

as to the rewrites....this is the only one. .
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Old 11-07-2005, 01:29 PM
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Quote:
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i have a question for you.

what makes a cop a cop, a judge a judge, and the pa the pa?


Well my opinion on this is
1) He has a Gun, A shiny Badge, And a hell of a fancy costume. Which causes fear thus compliance.
2) Everyone has been trained, not so much on what to think but How To THINK,
when we look at cops or judge.
Example: why do you or any of us at anytime feel as if these people just people who parade around in black robes, black costumes, Guns, gavals and other wardrobe attire Have any mystical power or authority (from who i ask) to tell, order or demand us to do ANYTHING what so ever?
where do we get this misconception that people that once called them selve public servents & now officials (offials of who i ask) can inforced any law (whos law?) on anything upon you me or joe blow. Where is it said that anyone must follow a law that someone else that has no more rights then you or me they are just men and women dressed up in funny lookin attire why does that give them power over our lives for god sakes??
They say that they get there power from the people. I ask what people?
who gives them this power? i didnt willfuly give them anything Did you?. you can say i contracted or you contracted, but you didnt because the contract didnt have a meeting of the minds there was no full disclosure of the contract for one among many other things that are needed for a contract to be valid. So that blows that theory out of the water. Then we go back again they say they get their power from the people, again we cannot give away what we do not have to begin with, i do not have the power to tell you what to do so how can i give what i do not have to someone else, You can not.
also that you can not sell or give away what is unalienable "not transferrable"
meaning you can not give or sell your rights for they are not yours to do do so with they are a gift from god he owns them you use them they are not yours to give away.
So we the people cannot give these men and women acting as a government (whos government?) any power to do anything, let alone power over others.

so back to your question what makes a cop a cop or judge a judge?
It is you me and everyone else who thinks in a pervers matter that these men & women have any mystical power or right to do anything that they are doing
I just think that is sick and its sicker that some of these people beleive this dung heep.
as mark steven says "don't distort add to or delet from reality" in dealing with anything. so to finaly answer your question
a cop is not a cop unless you allow the distorshin of reality to take control or your mind. samething with judges a judge is just a man or woman with a sick desire to dominate others, (actrully most not all bureaucrats have this sickness and anyone that has dealed with them knows this or should) and they wear black robes, slam gavels when they have a hissy fit and order other sick minions around as if it was just a game of chess while they sit high on their godly throne.
Its just an act nothing more nothing less. They are playing a game where they make the rules up while they go along whithout ever telling you they are changing them, or what the rules were to begin with.
They are scamming you in a game that you can never truly win.
And until you realise Who you are and who they are And the game they hope you never see through you will always lose.
Your only hope is to get out of there win lose game you MUST get out of there fairy tale wonder land And Turn there Court(there game) into your court(reality).
if anyone see's where i am wrong please inform me.


Now i ask you what makes a cop a cop and a judge a judge?

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Old 11-07-2005, 01:51 PM
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DUDE!!!! THAT WUZ AWESOME!!!!!

Someone has been reading Henry's posts!!!
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Old 11-07-2005, 02:26 PM
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DUDE!!!! THAT WUZ AWESOME!!!!!

Someone has been reading Henry's posts!!!

well actrully i did just have a small conversation with Henry a little while ago and i did put what he said here "Learn who you really are" into affect in what i said but its not that ive read his posts its that we have studyed some of the same material from the same people.
Honostly I feel that i could have done alot better job with that liitle post but i got Non STOP chatter behind me. It sucks you can't just make people shut up
why dont i have this right....
Hmm let me see here if i can remember right..
Black robe + Gavel + domination trip = Godliness
there we go.
thats all i need right

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