Moses, his flock, and Government

[gbates31]

I've been lurking these forums for some time now and I've read some success stories concerning traffic cases, so my question is, why not start some sort of campaign to strike traffic laws off the books? It seems to me that freeing oneself from the hand of government has its own rewards, but what about freeing all of one's people? Isn't that a far greater reward?

[ezrhythm]

Sounds great but because the traffic codes are a form of contract/trust and the constitution allows all freedom to contract then it becomes just a matter of spreading the word that one doesn't need to contract. Because there are multitudes who just will not listen, mostly because they don't want to; better to just spread the word to those who will listen/care.

[gbates31]

That's one thing I've had issue with about the whole traffic code and contract. I'm pretty certain that I'm not a signatory to any contract in which the government or one of its agents is also a signatory, at least not in the state of Nevada concerning driving.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Originally Posted by gbates31

That's one thing I've had issue with about the whole traffic code and contract. I'm pretty certain that I'm not a signatory to any contract in which the government or one of its agents is also a signatory, at least not in the state of Nevada concerning driving.

If you derive benefits from the state the contract will adhere automatically.

If the state of Nevada has a registered interest in the motorized device you can be sure the VC applies. If a compact state (incl Canada) has an interest the VC will apply as well.

And it may help to understand that Nevada is indeed signatory to the Intl Convention on Road Traffic, both Geneva 1949 and Vienna 1968. You might not be signatory but you are entitled to equal protection under the applicable laws.

[gbates31]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

If you derive benefits from the state the contract will adhere automatically.

If the state of Nevada has a registered interest in the motorized device you can be sure the VC applies. If a compact state (incl Canada) has an interest the VC will apply as well.

And it may help to understand that Nevada is indeed signatory to the Intl Convention on Road Traffic, both Geneva 1949 and Vienna 1968. You might not be signatory but you are entitled to equal protection under the applicable laws.

Out of curiosity, what are some common benefits that a person could be deriving from the State of Nevada, particularly in the case of driving? What is the registered interest the State has with my car?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

for reference, please see this recent thread:

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/travel...-instance.html

and

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/149131-post9.html

"benefits derived"- commonly obtained through title and registration, and the subsequent "operators license".

Includes opportunity to participate in state-regulated insurance plans, lien vehicles, inspection programs, parking privileges, driver control and education, identification, bond for traffic infractions (avoiding arrest), certification and tracking. Surely there are others.

More general benefits are derived from the 'use' (profit) of the highways- the transportation or carriage of persons and property in a police-regulated environment. Especially when carrying for hire. Perhaps as well elevated freeways and interstate routes, no doubt the list is long.

I don't know about your car, but the registered interest is indicated by a certificate of title, for starters.

Benefits are distinct from Enjoyments.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Originally Posted by gbates31

why not start some sort of campaign to strike traffic laws off the books? It seems to me that freeing oneself from the hand of government has its own rewards, but what about freeing all of one's people? Isn't that a far greater reward?

I wanted to add that Moses led his people out of captivity; he didn't change the laws of that condition. Those laws will always exist as long as there are secular states, the "public interest" demands it. Regulation of the spoils and all that, profits you know. Not prophets.

[gbates31]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

I wanted to add that Moses led his people out of captivity; he didn't change the laws of that condition. Those laws will always exist as long as there are secular states, the "public interest" demands it. Regulation of the spoils and all that, profits you know. Not prophets.

I don't mean to physically lead them out, but to free them nonetheless. Certainly bold and idealistic, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

I read those links you gave me. I have no title, registration, or DL with the State of Nevada. Am I in the clear?

My Certificate of Title, registration, and DL are still with the State of Washington where I moved from back in March/April of this year. If this is a problem, then how do I go about removing my vehicle from the system?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Originally Posted by gbates31

I have no title, registration, or DL with the State of Nevada. Am I in the clear?

My Certificate of Title, registration, and DL are still with the State of Washington where I moved from back in March/April of this year.

You are fully compliant with state laws regarding vehicles- Nevada lets Washington use its roads no problem.

You will need to maintain that WA address to stay valid in NV under those conditions.

Not a bad deal, I might keep that for a while myself. I always find that its best to use existing benefits for maximum advantage, why not? You paid for them.

If this is a problem, then how do I go about removing my vehicle from the system?

If you consider this to be a problem, then your vehicle has to be eliminated. Call WA DOT and ask how to cancel a cert of title, on the grounds of "leaving the United States". I would also ask about salvage and junking the title. As well there is "abandon the title" . The concept is to somehow renounce the privilege on a regular normal form.

You could just transfer the title to "the State of WASHINGTON", and keep a "holder-in-due-course lien" on that title- but there should be a simpler and cheaper way. Keep in mind the vehicle is a usage, not the machine itself. I have had success with "moved to a different jurisdiction"

Follow the procedure. Also you would have to cancel the registration itself, which is more commonplace.

If you want to renounce the DL that's a seperate form, similar situation. Depending how it works in WA, there may be "tag places" or notaries that handle this sort of business, have the forms available, info etc. Also the DOT online.

I would first make notarized copies of everything, DL registration title etc, and sign the copies before the notary yourself. These can serve as evidence and for meeting the requirements of "international traffic", to cover that angle.

also see the latest, http://www.suijuris.net/forum/citize...hirteenth.html

[gldskr]

The simple solution is to let your agreements (CoT, Reg., DL) expire and then not renew them. After 4 months the security interest becomes unenforcible.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/9/9-103.html

gldskr