Interesting Travel Defense by State

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Vehicle registration is not voluntary. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">If it has the Vehicle Identifiction Number on it, there is a presumption created of commerce</FONT>.&<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <FONT face="courier new, courier, mono" size=2>[Prima facie evidence of a fact, is in law sufficient to establish the fact, unless rebutted. 6 Pet. R. 622, 632; 14 Pet. R. 334. See, generally, 7 J. J. Marsh, 425; 3 N. H. Rep. 484; 3 Stew. &amp; Port. 267; 5 Rand. 701; 1 Pick. 332; 1 South. 77; 1 Yeates, 347; Gilp. 147; 2 N. &amp; McCord, 320; 1 Miss. 334; 11 Conn. 95; 2 Root, 286; 16 John. 66, 136; 1 Bailey, 174: 2 A. K. Marsh. 244. ]</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Auto registration was authorized to the States from federal power over interstate commerce and over those whose citizen status depended on the 14th amendment who are residents and nonresidents.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">The registration was enforced under the State power to regulate commerce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">A car is pulled by a locomotive and car movement and is in commerce on a navigable river of rails. Even mere "movement" ought to suspected as a term.& </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">You have to remove your means of going your way from commerce and remove prima facie evidence of the fact of commercial status.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">A notice of Not For Hire reverses presumptions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Removal of the VIN removes prima facie evidence creating&presumption requiring rebuttal.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">A good bill of sale for Household Goods is good and sufficient evidence of title.& Record it with the register of deeds and have it certified and authenticated per title 28 section on nonjudicial records, and it is good and sufficient evidence of title in any court.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Arizona Constitution Article IX, sec 2 clause 4 "All household goods owned by the user thereof and used solely for noncommercial purposes shall be exempt from taxation, and such person entitled to such exemption shall not be required to take any affirmative action to receive the benefit of such exemption."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Household Goods are not in commerce.& This exemption exists in every State, although it is well hidden in some of them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">There are only three classifications of property in the universe.& (1)Business equipment; (2) Business inventory; and (3) Household goods.& See those terms in UCC 9-109 for proof.& And remember that there are only two classifications of "person"& (1) Natural persons, human beings, and household consumers; and (2) all other persons which operate as legal entities under various state and federal statutes.& Status of the person and the status of the property by its use is the key.
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[Jerseee]

Tora,


You just proved my point.&


Registration is voluntary.& It is the consequences that make it unsavory if you do not register.& Therefore, "I am going to make you an offer you can't refuse."


Basically, register or else.& The "or" indicates a choice.


I understand the code and all--but the decision to&participate&is voluntary.


I'm not encouraging revolt or dissent, just pointing out that there is a choice.


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just because the states makes the "presumption" that a VIN = commerce doesn't mean it is so - as you stated.& simply rebut.


a VIN is a number assigned by the manufacturer of the place travel device to assist with identification for&a multitude of reaons having nothing really to do with the State.


the State may choose to use the number for its own purposes, but that is up to the State.& just like we use a phone number.


however, if i am wrong, please be so kind as to educate me.


jon

Originally Posted by Jerseee

Tora,


You just proved my point.&


Registration is voluntary.& It is the consequences that make it unsavory if you do not register.& Therefore, "I am going to make you an offer you can't refuse."


Basically, register or else.& The "or" indicates a choice.


I understand the code and all--but the decision to&participate&is voluntary.


I'm not encouraging revolt or dissent, just pointing out ttat there is a choice.


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It's not voluntary.If VIN number creates the presumption, how are you going to rebut it?& Please tell me.& And how many people know that the VIN number creates the presumption?& People have no choice whether they have a VIN number or not, so how can it be voluntary?


The&"or" is the consequence, not the choice.& Vehicle registration laws are worse than tax laws.To get out of car registration, first you have to&to know to how to get&the MSO,&then you have to know to take the VIN number off your car, then you have to know to make a "Not for Hire"&plate for your car, then you have to know how deal with the cops when they pull you over when the see your "Not for Hire" license plate.& How voluntary is&all that?


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[Jerseee]

Tora,


I understand your position.& But what I am saying is that it is voluntary to register the vehicle.


If you want to avoid all that hassle by the cops and the system.& then register the vehicle.


If you can defend your position with the knowledge one can gain--then do not register your vehicle.


That is the choice.& Since there is a choice, it is voluntary.& Now if you do not wish harrassment by the cops--Then they have just made you an offer you can't refuse.&


Register or else.


everytime I say there is a choice, you respond with codes and threats by the system.& I am not disputing that.& But that is a result of not registering--which is the choice that can be made.& this is all I am saying.& I will not dilute your post with this back and forth notion of voluntary vs non-voluntary.& Folks may miss your point.& I just wanted to keep the thought pattern there.


I apologize for any confusion.& But you are free to make these types of choices.& It is the threats that the codes make, which puts one under duress to register.& hence the standing statement, "We're [BB] going to make you an offer you can't refuse".

Fighting the system and the cops is your choice, but that is not my idea of voluntary.& When you know ahead of time what the consequences are, it is not voluntary.


Same&with taxes.. they say it's voluntary, but it's not.

Vehicle registration&is&actually, 'voluntary compliance', not 'compliance is voluntary'.

no offense tora, but that attitude is why this country got where it is today.


people stopped being a republic of individuals and become a decmocratic sheeple.


a bully can only bully as long as the bullied are intimidated into thinking he has power.& when the group being bullied wakes up &amp; realizes otherwise, he is no longer a bully.


"vehicle registration" is neither mandatory nor required.& you can choose to register it or not.& either way you'll have to "pay the piper."


of course it isn't easy to utilize a non-registered place travel device.& the system is too "in your face" to make that easy.


but then, neither is staying "free."


jon

Originally Posted by Jerseee

&It is sort of like, "I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse"

Ah, Jerseee, what a positively splendid analogy for BB and all its agents!& Bravo!


Randy

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