Interesting Travel Defense by State

[suijuris]

Well said Jerseee! I had never thought of it as an offer before - but it is a contract, and it is optional!

Sui Juris

[Ice]

Jerseee,


You would like the book that Jim has just recommended... the guy sez: "Don't Argue".


Add my recommendation to Jims'.& It is not possible to disagree with&Jim on this one!


Ice

[Jerseee]

LOL thanks.

If you don't have the MSO (true title-you have a certificate of title) that means the state does.


Who's car is it really? Are the registration fees rental fees for use of their car?


I've heard it said that if you lay claim to the car/MSO (UCC-1) that makes you owner and them holder of the MSO thereby creating a fiduciary relationship between you and the state. In which case registration fees are actually fiduciary fees. But you can actually accept them for value and discharge the fees according to public policy.

[Ice]

"Bill of Sale" is proof of ownership.

The MSO only states the origin of the auto. It doesn't have anything to do with "ownership".

exact Ice! I just verified with the State today that they DO have a process for dealing with just Bills of Sales when it comes to automobiles. Bill of Sale is ultimate title to a vehicle. MSO, etc. , dont go down that road, its fruitless and irrevelant to a judge.

[juststartingout]

Okay, so where do I find this "bill of Sale" - asking before I even go looking for more info (ducking now ) myself. Received a van from the IL's and haven't registered it yet. Don't really want to either

I'm a little late to this discussion, nonetheless, here are my two cents:



Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed., Revised:



"use" = "employment"

"employment" = "...implying a request and a conract for compensation" (i.e., commerce).

"police powers" = long definition but essentially "...the right of the state to make laws and statutes for the good of the commonwealth, and of the subjects of the same..."



Go ahead and susbstitute the above Black's definitions for the tems in the sentence below from the "defining" case cited by the Michigan Court. Once again you will see the State has no right to require a Driver License, registration, etc., unless one is traveling in commerce.



1 Plaintiff's arguments about the state of Michigan lacking the authority to regulate the use of automobiles on its roads and highways are simply wrong. People v. Thompson, 259 Mich. 109, 122 (1932) ("It is settled in this State that use of automobiles on public highways is subject to regulation under the police power. And under the police power . . . the otherwise private right of unrestricted use must yield to the public exigency.")



I have read the statutes here in Texas and they are written in the same legal style attempting to obfuscate the truth.



Where might I find how to fashion an appropriate license plate so as to not be bothered by BB?



B.

thanx !!!that was deeep!! the definitions you gave us. more ammo to use!!! tha tricky devils play words game dont they.thats why when i submit documents for them to rebut, i submit stuff that legalise cant hide (the fact that ANY ARREST without a damaged party is a tort.)so, legalize all you want to.

here is a definition i found in bouvairs: USE, civil law. A right of receiving so much of the natural profits of a thing as is necessary to daily sustenance; it differs from usufruct, which is a right not only to use but to enjoy. 1 Browne's Civ. Law, 184; Lecons Elem. du Dr. Civ. Rom. §414, 416