Sovereign Friendly Places

[ThomPaine]

Hello All,

Not sure what the title here should actually be, but during my research recently, I decided to explore locations that were friendly to sovereigns or people interested in keeping their rights, privacy, etc. This pertains to vehicle and property ownership (and use) as well as asset planning, management, etc., so maybe it can go in multiple places.

What I am thinking about is a states that have clear verbiage in statutes, definitions, etc., regarding the right to travel, registration only applies to commercial vehicles, etc. I know that Codee and others have done lots of work on the California code and I have a pretty good bit on georgia. However I am thinking of relocating and possibly registering or housing vehicles and other assets in yet a third location, for privacy and security.

Maybe this could become a repository for statutes, case law and solid personal experiences that will be useful for others. I am expanding my search to other states in the southeast since they are close to me. Some other ideas that came up are emission laws and tag or registration fees if one does choose to register and tag a vehicle. Self insurance is also an option in some places instead of paying fees to a company every month. Are there places where one could get a driving license without an SSN or other BS info, maybe using an alien procedure as a resident of another nearby state? Are there states or cities that are friendly to privately owned cars without tags or insurance?

Thanks in advance and suggestions or comments are welcome.

Thom

[palani]

The situation you describe is a matter of time rather than of place.

States are fictions. So are governments. They all exist as an opinion only. Since you don't want to recognize the government that currently has infested Georgia go back in time to a government that existed previously and that was legitimate. This would be prior to the (un)Civil War. Get the last known book of laws and statutes that existed under that government to find if it contains provisions for drivers licenses and such. If you find it satisfactory publicly make known your expatriation to that body politic. Don't look back.

Of course, that is just my opinion.

[ThomPaine]

thanks, but not really what i am looking for...

I have found that 'states' or locations or whatever you wish to call 'them', that are friendly to sovereigns by verbiage, or principle, etc., are typically friendly in multiple ways. For example, Alabamastan has some counties where there are no inspections or permits required to build a house. You will also find that they are gun friendly and laws regarding vehicle modifications such as lift or tag placement, etc are pretty liberal. There are also places where the code clearly states that a driving license and traffic 'laws' only apply to commercial driving or operation. In other places, its not so clear. I realise that these are all laws or regulations and I dont want a discourse on the system or the law, just trying to do some research.

Thanks

Thom

[rottweiler]

I am studying common law abatements right now and am using this forum as a sounding board.

palani, no, it is here and now, you can go to that place by writing a common law abatement to your County Magistrate. Send all the contracts to him you want to abate. You will find that dejure office is held by the defacto office of County Commissioner in your dejure Judicial District. I am in the 8th Judicial District myself. To go to that place it would really help to cancel out of all contracts with the defacto governments first and hold the Office of the People under your own seal, not under the Great Seal of Satan like you see on the back of the $1 FRN. Now you are under common law again as long as the state constitutional contract is still valid.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_cancellation_group/

Originally Posted by palani

The situation you describe is a matter of time rather than of place.

States are fictions. So are governments. They all exist as an opinion only. Since you don't want to recognize the government that currently has infested Georgia go back in time to a government that existed previously and that was legitimate. This would be prior to the (un)Civil War. Get the last known book of laws and statutes that existed under that government to find if it contains provisions for drivers licenses and such. If you find it satisfactory publicly make known your expatriation to that body politic. Don't look back.

Of course, that is just my opinion.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

The farther away from the main centers the better. Vermont, Alabama, etc. Also, actually the biggest cities where no one cares anyway.

The worst is suburbia- the heart of the NWO. Even townships that are somewhat farther out than the main ring of suburbs are often better than the more densely populated.

But if you want real freedom, like maybe no where in America these days, come to Europe. I kid you not- many countries are just so liberal any "rules" are meaningless. And these days there is a much more modern economy with better infrastructure than in many places in America.

That doesn't mean you will make a good living, but the possibility exists to start a whole new way of life. There are some really nice coastal regions with both mountain and sea nearby, wood and field, and the land is really cheap!

(no one comes to europe from america to "immigrate", forget about trying to integrate with the local culture- they are simply vanishing as we speak from low birth rates and lack of evolution)

You can rent a nice 3 bedroom apartment in some places in Southern Europe, in a town full of amenities and well-communicated, for 300 bux a month. A small house with a garden for the same money, and sometimes less! (one house recently went for 150 bux amonth, 2 small bedrooms). Water and electricity are free, because of the way the laws are structured, and no one will bother you anyway. There are free internet centers, airport nearby, many shopping malls with all the latest stuff.

And driving offense are completely civil- they simply have no arrestable driving offenses (on the infraction light misdemeanor summary level). The most that happens is the car is impounded. Driving without a license or insurance or whatever is not criminal at all.

And criminal charges expire! So it's a new twist on the SOL- there is an absolute limitation on enforcement, even of a convicted sentence. Not that anyone will bother you anyway, especially if you are normally law-abiding yourself (as we should be anyway).

And the legal system openly provides a way to beat mortgages, not some secret method but a clear statement in legislation and court case about priority over property. Get yourself a 'self-certified income' mortgage and sail away with the house! I am not kidding!

So everything a suijuris member dreams about for America is already that way in much of Europe. See, the thing is that in Europe the people are bred for "business as usual", there is literally no one who will question the orthodox opinion out there so the laws are never invoked. The people live to be regulated in a way unimaginable in the Anglo world. They are physically incapable of doing or creating anything outside the norm. Which works out to the favor of feisty Americans and other Westerners that want a place that is peaceful, free, modernized, and cheap.

A 5 member family could live very well there on 1000 bux a month. There are even abandoned villages (Europe is dying), remote towns, empty land all around- so much space! If you can get a legalized residence permit (not needed to merely live there) then you will be entitled to cash benefits from several diferent countries with advanced welfare systems, as well as access to the regular unsecured credit system.

I mean to say one could very easily come to the right place in Europe and live for free, in every sense of the word.

[ThomPaine]

Farmer,

What you say is very interesting and though it would be pretty difficult for me to leave my state, friends, family, etc., I must do what is best for me and at some point in the future, that may be an option.

Right now I am looking at ways to live a quiet, simple, modern and free life here and do the things that I want to do without intereference or tyranny. My rights end when they interfere with someone else's rights, beyond that I should be able to do as I please with myself and my property, whatever that may be.

The modern purpose of governments is to govern and most of them are damn good at it. They are also pretty good at creating problems, corruption and generally messing up people's lives too, but we wont get into that here.

thanks

Thom

[manros]

Move to Europe. You can choose any of the principalities if you dont like the EU. But this last is not so bad over there.

Keep in mind that USA has been chosen to direct the NWO. This country is a natural leader for that and almost every thing.

Unfortunately, to implant the NWO, they have to destroy our constitution first ( you know, the old ways have to be destroyed in order to implant the new ones) Scary!

America is today (second to England) the most repressive country on Earth. I athey dm not exaggerating. Think of the technology they have developed just to opress us. You willnot find this in other countries.

RE: Driver licenses. The family guardian site has a list of the different requirements from the different states. Some states do not require a social insecurity number, for example. Sorry I dont have a link to provide.

Washington state allows you to get their ID or Dr. License with only an oral statement from you declaring your address. Of course, you can be visiting with friends, or in some temp. place. They dont care and will not ask you proof of address.

Also, Washington is the only state that does not require a license to drive. Too bad most people volunteer to get it since they dont know it.

Zoning is also mixed in Washington and those dogs or zoning officers are not after people like in other states.

Vermont is serious about getting their independence. NH has a project and isreceiving sovereigns and sovereigns to be, since that state has a reputation to keep.

Any way, all of this can only satisfy you if you believe the gov. is not interested in controlling the entire continental USA.

[Shoonra]

from the LAWRENCE JOURNAL TRIBUNE (Lawrence, Kansas):


Driver who challenged authority of state found guilty

By Mike Belt

October 2, 2007

Laura West found guilty of traffic charges

She challenged the state of Kansas saying she didn't need a drivers license. But the Douglas County District Court disagrees and finds the woman guilty on traffic charges today.

A woman who challenged the authority of the state of Kansas to require her to have a driver’s license was found guilty on traffic charges Monday in Douglas County District Court.

Laura M. West, 21, was ordered to serve 12 months of unsupervised probation and pay $220 in fines. Meanwhile, Judge Robert Fairchild ordered her to serve two concurrent six-month jail sentences, but then suspended those.

Fairchild said West must get a driver’s license to drive in Kansas.

During an Aug. 31 trial, West said the Kansas Highway Patrol trooper who stopped her west of Lawrence on June 11 had no right to arrest her. She said she was driving her private “vessel” on a religious mission.

But Fairchild ruled West was guilty of not having a driver’s license, obstructing the legal process, failure to dim her headlights and having improper vehicle registration.

West and her partner, J.M. Sovereign Godsent, said they would appeal the judge’s decision. West, who has represented herself during the court hearings, said she wasn’t surprised at Fairchild’s decision.

“I assumed they were going to push (the case) forward,” she said. “I still thought they might be smart enough to stop.”

Godsent and West say they are members of a group that believes the U.S. is not a country but a foreign corporation that has invaded America.

During West’s trial, a trooper testified it took 45 minutes to get her to step out of the van after he stopped it. She was taken to the Douglas County Jail and then freed on $1,500 bond.

West and Godsent said they were traveling to Lawrence to visit a friend. They said their “vessel” is their home. West gave the court a Satsop, Wash., post office box number to contact her.

During her trial West gave Fairchild a CD recording of her encounter with the trooper. Fairchild took the case under advisement to listen to the CD. On Monday he said what he heard on the CD didn’t constitute a defense.

Originally published at: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/oc...ound_guilty /

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see also:
http://blog.peterwall.net/2007/09/01...-the-insanity/
for a commentary on this.

[weishaupt1776]

farmer Giles, any suggestions of exactly where in SO Europe?

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

The farther away from the main centers the better. Vermont, Alabama, etc. Also, actually the biggest cities where no one cares anyway.

The worst is suburbia- the heart of the NWO. Even townships that are somewhat farther out than the main ring of suburbs are often better than the more densely populated.

Yes, that can be quite true.

I lived in NYC for three years, right in the heart of Midtown Manhattan, off Park Avenue, and (ironically) I probably felt more "private" there, in the midst of all those people, than I ever have anywhere else.

Crowds can provide anonymity.

Conversely, rural areas do as well.

Like you say, suburbia is absolutely the worst place to be.. easy to find you at home, dependent on a car they can snatch, etc.