Alternative to Passport

[mikesrights]

Is there an alternative to getting a Passport to travel abroad?
If there is please explain. Thank's
Mike

[weishaupt1776]

As far as THEY are concerned, anyone who is a U.S. Citizen must have a passport to leave pursuant to 8 USC

The burden is on you to show that you are an American National who is not a not a U.S. Citizen pursuant to THEIR code 8 USC 1502.

This is the only way to get some alternative travel docs going.

Now, as far as they are concerned, if you receive mail at your house, have a DL, an SS#, etc . . ., you are considered to be a U.S Citizen no matter how much you piss and moan about the STRAWMAN or case law.
It comes down to evidence and facts at this point.

This is to ensure that you make it back into the Union as well as leaving it
Should there be a problem w/customs, and there is still a shred of evidence showing that you are a U.S Citizen, you will have no recourse

[mikesrights]

Wow, Ok. Well, I have been reading around here and somewhere I read that you could get an apostle(sp?) from the secretary of state? What's that about?

Thank you for your reply weishaupt.

As you can tell I 'm starting to wake up. Gotta start getting smart.

[weishaupt1776]

Too many people try to go for the apostille w/o any form of status correction. If it is found up the road that there is an adhesion to you and the Federal Zone, then the apostille and 4 bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks

Either that or people put a bunch of gibberish lacking any substance for the apostille and the States quit doing the Apostilles, which then screws it up for everybody

[Shoonra]

A long time ago I worked in the NYC passport office, the busiest passport office in the country, and up to that time, during the busiest years in its history.

Arguably, you don't need a passport to cross back and forth to Canada or Mexico, or, IIRC, some of the Caribbean islands. The rules may have tighted up since Sept 11th.

The US govt issues passports only to US citizens - whether or not they have DLs or SSNs (a lot of applicants in NYC never had DLs and a lot of babies don't have SSNs). Usually this boils down to one question: Were they born inside the US? If so, their birth certificate is proof of their citizenship. (Many years ago the passport office would accept baptismal or hospital certificates, but that stopped when we found out that some churches & hospitals were getting careless about keeping their blank forms out of the wrong hands. Now only the official state dept of health Birth Cert will do.) If they were born elsewhere and then naturalized, their DOJ Certificate of Naturalization is their proof. If they are not US citizens but here on a visa or something, then they'll have to contact the embassy or consulate of their home country for whatever they will need; I am not familiar with the hoops they have to jump through.

Additional to proof of citizenship, the applicant will need ID to show that he is the person named on the birth certificate; usually a DL or other authoritative photo ID (such as student ID, work ID, school yearbook with his photo, etc.). There are a number of workarounds for people who don't have this sort of photo ID. If a naturalized citizen can be recognized from the photo on his naturalization certificate, that one do***ent can serve both purposes. If a person appears on a previous US passport even if it's now expired (even those before circa 1970, when it was possible to have more than one person on a passport), that is sufficient proof by itself of citizenship -- and if he can recognized from the photo in the old passport that one do***ent similarly can serve both purposes.

The US govt does not require people to have passports to leave the US .... but only to get back. The other countries require passports to let visitors in.

[easynbwc1]

I agree with most of what you said Weis,
except their is an alternative to getting a U.S. Passport
(and their is recourse after you gave them yr ssn
and driv license etc. with a special affadvt.)

If you wanna know what the alt. is, it is a passport
but not one issued by the home country and it cost
as little as I believe $35 and is recognized everywhere just about. The only drawback is in the future but I figure one can always switch back.

There is also I believe a way to become american national, have the inside scoop along with added support with dipl ID. [Friends w/judge.]

Just email me for consult.$ (tm).
liquidate-now@safe-mail.net

[SansRecours]

Pray tell, what is an apostille, and where is its authority. I heard my wife mention this term just the other day.

Sans

http://www.worldservice.org/docpass.html

The World Passport represents the inalienable human right of freedom of travel on planet Earth. Therefore it is premised on the fundamental oneness or unity of the human community.
In modern times, the passport has become a symbol of national sovereignty and control by each nation-state. That control works both for citizens within a nation and all others outside. All nations thus collude in the system of control of travel rather than its freedom. If freedom of travel is one of the essential marks of the liberated human being, as stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, then the very acceptance of a national passport is the mark of the slave, serf or subject. The World Passport is therefore a meaningful symbol and sometimes powerful tool for the implementation of the fundamental human right of freedom of travel. By its very existence it challenges the exclusive assumption of sovereignty of the nation-state system. It is designed however to conform to nation-state requirements for travel do***ents. It does not, however, indicate the nationality of its bearer, only his/her birthplace. It is therefore a neutral, apolitical do***ent of identity and potential travel do***ent.

A passport gains credibility only by its acceptance by authorities other than the issuing agent. The World Passport in this respect has a track record of over 50 years acceptance since it was first issued. Today over 150 countries have visaed it on a case-by-case basis. In short, the World Passport represents the one world we all live in and on. No one has the right to tell you you can't move freely on your natural birthplace! So don't leave home without one!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by free_martha

http://www.worldservice.org/docpass.html

The World Passport represents the inalienable human right of freedom of travel on planet Earth. Therefore it is premised on the fundamental oneness or unity of the human community.
In modern times, the passport has become a symbol of national sovereignty and control by each nation-state. That control works both for citizens within a nation and all others outside. All nations thus collude in the system of control of travel rather than its freedom. If freedom of travel is one of the essential marks of the liberated human being, as stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, then the very acceptance of a national passport is the mark of the slave, serf or subject. The World Passport is therefore a meaningful symbol and sometimes powerful tool for the implementation of the fundamental human right of freedom of travel. By its very existence it challenges the exclusive assumption of sovereignty of the nation-state system. It is designed however to conform to nation-state requirements for travel do***ents. It does not, however, indicate the nationality of its bearer, only his/her birthplace. It is therefore a neutral, apolitical do***ent of identity and potential travel do***ent.

A passport gains credibility only by its acceptance by authorities other than the issuing agent. The World Passport in this respect has a track record of over 50 years acceptance since it was first issued. Today over 150 countries have visaed it on a case-by-case basis. In short, the World Passport represents the one world we all live in and on. No one has the right to tell you you can't move freely on your natural birthplace! So don't leave home without one!

Now, that's very intersting; sound kinda like the porpose behind the GPL license, to restrict denial of free software rather than to license private code for computer use!

thanks

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United States Code

TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

SUBCHAPTER III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION

PART IV - MISCELLANEOUS

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U.S. Code as of: 01/06/03 Section 1502. Certificate of nationality issued by Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state

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The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an American national and that such certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. * Such certificate shall be solely for use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through** appropriate official channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign state in which it is to be used

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