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Old 01-24-2006, 02:55 AM
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Salvage certificate

I am looking into obtaining a salvage certificate on the Automobiles that I own to remove them from the DMV records, and not have registration or MSO with the state.
This way without a drivers license.
And the automobile not registered or titled to the state how could they enforce any of their so-called laws against me?
I have found this document or form.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg488c.pdf
Titled; Aplication for Salvage certificate or non repairable vehicle certificate.
Under;... Section2-Nonrepairable vehicle certificate.
A vehicle declaired nonrepairable may not be titled or registered for use on the roads or highways of California. A "Nonrepairable vehicle certificate" is a vehicle ownership document issued to the owner of a nonrepairable vehicle.((Not a certificate of Title))Ownership of the vehicle may only be transferred two times on a nonrepairable vehicle certificate.
Being that I don't ever want to Title or Register these vehicles.

Could this be the remedy that we are seeking???

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Old 01-24-2006, 03:39 AM
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what's it all about, Alphie

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I am looking into obtaining a salvage certificate on the Automobiles that I own to remove them from the DMV records, and not have registration or MSO with the state.
This way without a drivers license.
And the automobile not registered or titled to the state how could they enforce any of their so-called laws against me?
I have found this document or form.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg488c.pdf
Titled; Aplication for Salvage certificate or non repairable vehicle certificate.
Under;... Section2-Nonrepairable vehicle certificate.
A vehicle declaired nonrepairable may not be titled or registered for use on the roads or highways of California. A "Nonrepairable vehicle certificate" is a vehicle ownership document issued to the owner of a nonrepairable vehicle.((Not a certificate of Title))Ownership if the vehicle may only be transferred two times on a nonrepairable vehicle certificate.
Being that I don't ever want to Title or Register these vehicles.

Could this be the remedy that we are seeking???

I've seen such a declaration, the declaration of salvaging, before; it's about declaring that an car is not engaged in commerce anymore. Think of it in those terms.
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:58 PM
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Excerpt directly from the California DMV websight.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/howto/htvr16.htm

(What Is a Salvage Certificate?)
A Salvage Certificate is issued in lieu of an ownership certificate for a vehicle that has been declared a total loss. This certificate can only be requested in the name of the registered owner or insurance company. The Salvage Certificate becomes the ownership document.)

Definition from Webster's dictionary-1936
(Own'er-ship. The state of being an owner;
proprietorship; exclusive right of posession;
legal or just claim or title.)




How Do I Obtain a Salvage Certificate?

The requirements are:

* Application for Salvage Certificate (REG 488C) completed and signed.
* Proof of ownership. This is usually the Certificate of Title (California or another state).
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:12 AM
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I now have the Application for Salvage Certificate (REG 488C) completed and signed.
And will be taking these to the DMV.

Q) Can anyone give me good reasons as to why I shouldn't do this?

This is not my original idea as I have read about this @ http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/movement.html

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Old 01-26-2006, 12:17 PM
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why?

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I now have the Application for Salvage Certificate (REG 488C) completed and signed.
And will be taking these to the DMV.

Q) Can anyone give me good reasons as to why I shouldn't do this?

This is not my original idea as I have read about this @ http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/movement.html

do you want to be in commerce and your property subject to taking prior to adjudication?
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Old 01-26-2006, 12:32 PM
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I've seen such a declaration, the declaration of salvaging, before; it's about declaring that an car is not engaged in commerce anymore. Think of it in those terms.

I think that will be construed bad faith. The information from California says the "1) Registered owner" may declare the car a wreck (salvage). However we need to see the form. Somebody please scan the form that you order from the State of California. I am sure the attorneys have covered that in signing the form the car is unfit to drive on the roadways.

Signing the form to simply pull the vehicle from being a motor vehicle (commercial by State of Colorado definitions) will probably be considered a fraud or at least not honored because of bad faith.

Anyway in the State of Colorado they would probably impound the vehicle where the (court of the) impound lot manager is only required to notify the "Last Known Registered Owner". So he sends notice to come get the vehicle to the last known owner on the State Revenue tax records. When you get the vehicle properly registered again, it will be released for $40 + $10/day in fees.

Commander Chegwidden on JAG had his SUV impounded when his girlfriend's son left marijuana inside it. The Commander went all dressed in his military uniform hoping to impress the impound lot manager (in greasy coveralls). The impound lot manager replied, "You better get a lawyer. Your car is forfeiture and you are in my court now."



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Old 01-26-2006, 12:41 PM
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do you want to be in commerce and your property subject to taking prior to adjudication?

I am in the process of making up a declaration in the form of an afidavit.
But first I must have proof that I am the true owner with the exclusive right of posession and that is what I am trying to do with this Junked Title after which I will add them to my UCC fs when filed.
Please educate me if I am going about this incorrectly.

idknow;
the answers to your questions are of course NO! and NO!
are you inferring that by doing this I would be doing so?

Ps. The declaration in the form af an afidavit will be sent to the head honcho of the DMV as per Mary Croft.

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Old 01-26-2006, 12:48 PM
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idknow;
the answers to your questions are of course NO! and NO!

are you inferring that by doing this I would be doing so?

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of course not. you asked for comments against doing so, so I posed a question.

If I had sent a salvage notice to the steward, IMO, i'd still have my car and the "agent" who stopped me would have had a harder time trying to take my car.

hindsight, of course.

Go for it.

Did you read the salvage act of legislature?
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:29 PM
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of course not. you asked for comments against doing so, so I posed a question.

If I had sent a salvage notice to the steward, IMO, i'd still have my car and the "agent" who stopped me would have had a harder time trying to take my car.

hindsight, of course.

Go for it.

Did you read the salvage act of legislature?
ENTITLED, An Act to provide for a salvage title.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA:
Section 1. That § 32-3-26.1 be repealed.
Section 2. For purposes of this Act, the term, salvage vehicle, means any vehicle that an insurer or self insurer determines a total loss due to damage caused by fire, vandalism, collision, weather, submersion in water, or flood. This section does not apply to any motor vehicle more than six model years old or with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than sixteen thousand pounds.
Section 3. That chapter 32-3 be amended by adding thereto a NEW SECTION to read as follows:
If an insurer, in settlement of a total loss insurance claim, or self insurer acquires the ownership of any salvage vehicle as defined in section 2 of this Act that does not have a salvage vehicle title, the insurer shall within thirty days following acquisition of the certificate of title of that vehicle, surrender the certificate of title for such vehicle to the department. The department shall promptly issue a title indicating it is a salvage vehicle to the insurer or self insurer. Once a vehicle has been branded a salvage vehicle, nothing in this section prohibits a person from obtaining a rebuilt title pursuant to § 32-3-53.
Section 4. That chapter 32-3 be amended by adding thereto a NEW SECTION to read as follows:
If an insurer or self insurer declares a vehicle to be a total loss but does not acquire ownership of the vehicle, the owner shall obtain a salvage title for the vehicle. The insurer or self insurer shall, in writing, notify the owner of the obligation to obtain a salvage title before the owner sells or transfers the title. If the owner sells or transfers the ownership of the vehicle without first obtaining a salvage title, the owner is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. This section does not apply to any motor vehicle more than six model years old or with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than sixteen thousand pounds. Section 5. That § 32-3-51.9 be amended to read as follows:
32-3-51.9. For the purposes of the damage disclosure statement provided by § 32-3-51.8, the term, damage, is damage to the motor vehicle caused by fire, vandalism, collision, weather, submersion in water, or flood, and does not include normal wear and tear, glass damage, mechanical repairs, or electrical repairs that have not been caused by fire, vandalism, collision, weather, submersion in water, or flood.
Section 6. That § 32-3-51.5 be amended to read as follows:
32-3-51.5. Any motor vehicle, trailer, or semitrailer whose title has been marked by another state or jurisdiction, shall receive a title, which shall contain the damage disclosure information as set forth in §§ 32-3-51.7 and 32-3-51.8. However, if the title has been branded as salvage or with any other similar brand by another state or jurisdiction the applicant shall receive a salvage title or, at the option of the owner, a junking certificate. An Act to provide for a salvage title.

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I certify that the attached Act originated in the

HOUSE as Bill No. 1202

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Attest:

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House Bill No. 1202
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The attached Act is hereby approved this ________ day of ______________ , A.D., 20___

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Old 01-26-2006, 04:29 PM
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I think that will be construed bad faith. The information from California says the "1) Registered owner" may declare the car a wreck (salvage). However we need to see the form. Somebody please scan the form that you order from the State of California. I am sure the attorneys have covered that in signing the form the car is unfit to drive on the roadways.

Signing the form to simply pull the vehicle from being a motor vehicle (commercial by State of Colorado definitions) will probably be considered a fraud or at least not honored because of bad faith.

Anyway in the State of Colorado they would probably impound the vehicle where the (court of the) impound lot manager is only required to notify the "Last Known Registered Owner". So he sends notice to come get the vehicle to the last known owner on the State Revenue tax records. When you get the vehicle properly registered again, it will be released for $40 + $10/day in fees.

Commander Chegwidden on JAG had his SUV impounded when his girlfriend's son left marijuana inside it. The Commander went all dressed in his military uniform hoping to impress the impound lot manager (in greasy coveralls). The impound lot manager replied, "You better get a lawyer. Your car is forfeiture and you are in my court now."



Regards,

David Merrill.
Again Being that I don't ever want to Title or Register these vehicles. where's the bad faith

I referenced the document that you fill out in my first post but here it is again.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg488c.pdf
Please read the second page.
It only referres to if you wish to re-register or title the vehicle again These are never my intentions. wheres the bad faith?


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