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[dadmoonbunny]

while researching state stautes across the nation, I found this gem in the statutes relating to the vehicle code in Kansas. Pay attention to the defenition of person, and vehicle.


Statute 8-126

Chapter 8.--AUTOMOBILES AND OTHER VEHICLES Article 1.--GENERAL PROVISIONS
8-126. Definitions. The following words and phrases when used in this act shall have the meanings respectively ascribed to them herein:
(a) "Vehicle" means every device in, upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a public highway, excepting electric personal assistive mobility devices or devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.
(b) "Motor vehicle" means every vehicle, other than a motorized bicycle or a motorized wheelchair, which is self-propelled.
(c) "Truck" means a motor vehicle which is used for the transportation or delivery of freight and merchandise or more than 10 passengers.
(d) "Motorcycle" means every motor vehicle designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, except any such vehicle as may be included within the term "tractor" as herein defined.
(e) "Truck tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used primarily for drawing other vehicles, and not so constructed as to carry a load other than a part of the weight of the vehicle or load so drawn.
(f) "Farm tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used as a farm implement power unit operated with or without other attached farm implements in any manner consistent with the structural design of such power unit.
(g) "Road tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used for drawing other vehicles, and not so constructed as to carry any load thereon independently, or any part of the weight of a vehicle or load so drawn.
(h) "Trailer" means every vehicle without motive power designed to carry property or passengers wholly on its own structure and to be drawn by a motor vehicle.
(i) "Semitrailer" means every vehicle of the trailer type so designed and used in conjunction with a motor vehicle that some part of its own weight and that of its own load rests upon or is carried by another vehicle.
(j) "Pole trailer" means any two-wheel vehicle used as a trailer with bolsters that support the load, and do not have a rack or body extending to the tractor drawing the load.
(k) "Specially constructed vehicle" means any vehicle which shall not have been originally constructed under a distinctive name, make, model or type, or which, if originally otherwise constructed shall have been materially altered by the removal of essential parts, or by the addition or substitution of essential parts, new or used, derived from other vehicles or makes of vehicles.
(l) "Foreign vehicle" means every motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer which shall be brought into this state otherwise than in ordinary course of business by or through a manufacturer or dealer and which has not been registered in this state.
(m) "Person" means every natural person, firm, partnership, association or corporation.
(n) "Owner" means a person who holds the legal title of a vehicle, or in the event a vehicle is the subject of an agreement for the conditional sale thereof with the right of purchase upon performance of the conditions stated in the agreement and with an immediate right of possession vested in the conditional vendee or in the event a vehicle is subject to a lease of 30 days or more with an immediate right of possession vested in the lessee; or in the event a party having a security interest in a vehicle is entitled to possession, then such conditional vendee or lessee or secured party shall be deemed the owner for the purpose of this act.
(o) "Nonresident" means every person who is not a resident of this state.
(p) "Manufacturer" means every person engaged in the business of manufacturing motor vehicles, trailers or semitrailers.
(q) "New vehicle dealer" means every person actively engaged in the business of buying, selling or exchanging new motor vehicles, travel trailers, trailers or vehicles and who holds a dealer's contract therefor from a manufacturer or distributor and who has an established place of business in this state.
(r) "Used vehicle dealer" means every person actively engaged in the business of buying, selling or exchanging used vehicles, and having an established place of business in this state and who does not hold a dealer's contract for the sale of new motor vehicles, travel trailers, trailers or vehicles.
(s) "Highway" means every way or place of whatever nature open to the use of the public as a matter of right for the purpose of vehicular travel. The term "highway" shall not be deemed to include a roadway or driveway upon grounds owned by private owners, colleges, universities or other institutions.
(t) "Department" or "motor vehicle department" or "vehicle department" means the division of vehicles of the department of revenue, acting directly or through its duly authorized officers and agents.
(u) "Commission" or "state highway commission" means the director of vehicles of the department of revenue.
(v) "Division" means the division of vehicles of the department of revenue.
(w) "Travel trailer" means every vehicle without motive power designed to be towed by a motor vehicle constructed primarily for recreational purposes.
(x) "Passenger vehicle" means every motor vehicle, as herein defined, which is designed primarily to carry 10 or fewer passengers, and which is not used as a truck.
(y) "Self-propelled farm implement" means every farm implement designed for specific use applications with its motive power unit permanently incorporated in its structural design.
(z) "Farm trailer" means every trailer as defined in subsection (h) of this section and every semitrailer as defined in subsection (i) of this section, designed and used primarily as a farm vehicle.
(aa) "Motorized bicycle" means every device having two tandem wheels or three wheels, which may be propelled by either human power or helper motor, or by both, and which has:
(1) A motor which produces not more than 3.5 brake horsepower;
(2) a cylinder capacity of not more than 130 cubic centimeters;
(3) an automatic transmission; and
(4) the capability of a maximum design speed of no more than 30 miles per hour.
(bb) "All-terrain vehicle" means any motorized nonhighway vehicle 48 inches or less in width, having a dry weight of 1,000 pounds or less, traveling on three or more low-pressure tires, having a seat designed to be straddled by the operator. As used in this subsection, low-pressure tire means any pneumatic tire six inches or more in width, designed for use on wheels with rim diameter of 12 inches or less, and utilizing an operating pressure of 10 pounds per square inch or less as recommended by the vehicle manufacturer.
(cc) "Implement of husbandry" means every vehicle designed or adapted and used exclusively for agricultural operations, including feedlots, and only incidentally moved or operated upon the highways. Such term shall include, but not be limited to:
(1) A farm tractor;
(2) a self-propelled farm implement;
(3) a fertilizer spreader, nurse tank or truck permanently mounted with a spreader used exclusively for dispensing or spreading water, dust or liquid fertilizers or agricultural chemicals, as defined in K.S.A. 2-2202, and amendments thereto, regardless of ownership;
(4) a truck mounted with a fertilizer spreader used or manufactured principally to spread animal dung;
(5) a mixer-feed truck owned and used by a feedlot, as defined in K.S.A. 47-1501, and amendments thereto, and specially designed and used exclusively for dispensing food to livestock in such feedlot.
(dd) "Motorized wheelchair" means any self-propelled vehicle designed specifically for use by a physically disabled person that is incapable of a speed in excess of 15 miles per hour.
(ee) "Oil well servicing, oil well clean-out or oil well drilling machinery or equipment" means a vehicle constructed as a machine used exclusively for servicing, cleaning-out or drilling an oil well and consisting in general of a mast, an engine for power, a draw works and a chassis permanently constructed or assembled for one or more of those purposes. The passenger capacity of the cab of a vehicle shall not be considered in determining whether such vehicle is an oil well servicing, oil well clean-out or oil well drilling machinery or equipment.
(ff) "Electric personal assistive mobility device" means a self-balancing two nontandem wheeled device, designed to transport only one person, with an electric propulsion system that limits the maximum speed of the device to 15 miles per hour or less.
(gg) "Electronic certificate of title" means any electronic record of ownership, including any lien or liens that may be recorded, retained by the division in accordance with K.S.A. 2005 Supp. 8-135d, and amendments thereto. History: deleted for the sake of brevity

[idknow]

Originally Posted by dadmoonbunny

while researching state stautes across the nation, I found this gem in the statutes relating to the vehicle code in Kansas. Pay attention to the defenition of person, and vehicle.


Statute 8-126

Chapter 8.--AUTOMOBILES AND OTHER VEHICLES Article 1.--GENERAL PROVISIONS
8-126. Definitions. The following words and phrases when used in this act shall have the meanings respectively ascribed to them herein:
(a) "Vehicle" means every device in, upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a public highway, excepting electric personal assistive mobility devices or devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.
(b) "Motor vehicle" means every vehicle, other than a motorized bicycle or a motorized wheelchair, which is self-propelled.
(c) "Truck" means a motor vehicle which is used for the transportation or delivery of freight and merchandise or more than 10 passengers.
(d) "Motorcycle" means every motor vehicle designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, except any such vehicle as may be included within the term "tractor" as herein defined.
(e) "Truck tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used primarily for drawing other vehicles, and not so constructed as to carry a load other than a part of the weight of the vehicle or load so drawn.
(f) "Farm tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used as a farm implement power unit operated with or without other attached farm implements in any manner consistent with the structural design of such power unit.
(g) "Road tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used for drawing other vehicles, and not so constructed as to carry any load thereon independently, or any part of the weight of a vehicle or load so drawn.
(h) "Trailer" means every vehicle without motive power designed to carry property or passengers wholly on its own structure and to be drawn by a motor vehicle.
(i) "Semitrailer" means every vehicle of the trailer type so designed and used in conjunction with a motor vehicle that some part of its own weight and that of its own load rests upon or is carried by another vehicle.
(j) "Pole trailer" means any two-wheel vehicle used as a trailer with bolsters that support the load, and do not have a rack or body extending to the tractor drawing the load.
(k) "Specially constructed vehicle" means any vehicle which shall not have been originally constructed under a distinctive name, make, model or type, or which, if originally otherwise constructed shall have been materially altered by the removal of essential parts, or by the addition or substitution of essential parts, new or used, derived from other vehicles or makes of vehicles.
(l) "Foreign vehicle" means every motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer which shall be brought into this state otherwise than in ordinary course of business by or through a manufacturer or dealer and which has not been registered in this state.
(m) "Person" means every natural person, firm, partnership, association or corporation.
(n) "Owner" means a person who holds the legal title of a vehicle, or in the event a vehicle is the subject of an agreement for the conditional sale thereof with the right of purchase upon performance of the conditions stated in the agreement and with an immediate right of possession vested in the conditional vendee or in the event a vehicle is subject to a lease of 30 days or more with an immediate right of possession vested in the lessee; or in the event a party having a security interest in a vehicle is entitled to possession, then such conditional vendee or lessee or secured party shall be deemed the owner for the purpose of this act.
(o) "Nonresident" means every person who is not a resident of this state.
(p) "Manufacturer" means every person engaged in the business of manufacturing motor vehicles, trailers or semitrailers.
(q) "New vehicle dealer" means every person actively engaged in the business of buying, selling or exchanging new motor vehicles, travel trailers, trailers or vehicles and who holds a dealer's contract therefor from a manufacturer or distributor and who has an established place of business in this state.
(r) "Used vehicle dealer" means every person actively engaged in the business of buying, selling or exchanging used vehicles, and having an established place of business in this state and who does not hold a dealer's contract for the sale of new motor vehicles, travel trailers, trailers or vehicles.
(s) "Highway" means every way or place of whatever nature open to the use of the public as a matter of right for the purpose of vehicular travel. The term "highway" shall not be deemed to include a roadway or driveway upon grounds owned by private owners, colleges, universities or other institutions.
(t) "Department" or "motor vehicle department" or "vehicle department" means the division of vehicles of the department of revenue, acting directly or through its duly authorized officers and agents.
(u) "Commission" or "state highway commission" means the director of vehicles of the department of revenue.
(v) "Division" means the division of vehicles of the department of revenue.
(w) "Travel trailer" means every vehicle without motive power designed to be towed by a motor vehicle constructed primarily for recreational purposes.
(x) "Passenger vehicle" means every motor vehicle, as herein defined, which is designed primarily to carry 10 or fewer passengers, and which is not used as a truck.
(y) "Self-propelled farm implement" means every farm implement designed for specific use applications with its motive power unit permanently incorporated in its structural design.
(z) "Farm trailer" means every trailer as defined in subsection (h) of this section and every semitrailer as defined in subsection (i) of this section, designed and used primarily as a farm vehicle.
(aa) "Motorized bicycle" means every device having two tandem wheels or three wheels, which may be propelled by either human power or helper motor, or by both, and which has:
(1) A motor which produces not more than 3.5 brake horsepower;
(2) a cylinder capacity of not more than 130 cubic centimeters;
(3) an automatic transmission; and
(4) the capability of a maximum design speed of no more than 30 miles per hour.
(bb) "All-terrain vehicle" means any motorized nonhighway vehicle 48 inches or less in width, having a dry weight of 1,000 pounds or less, traveling on three or more low-pressure tires, having a seat designed to be straddled by the operator. As used in this subsection, low-pressure tire means any pneumatic tire six inches or more in width, designed for use on wheels with rim diameter of 12 inches or less, and utilizing an operating pressure of 10 pounds per square inch or less as recommended by the vehicle manufacturer.
(cc) "Implement of husbandry" means every vehicle designed or adapted and used exclusively for agricultural operations, including feedlots, and only incidentally moved or operated upon the highways. Such term shall include, but not be limited to:
(1) A farm tractor;
(2) a self-propelled farm implement;
(3) a fertilizer spreader, nurse tank or truck permanently mounted with a spreader used exclusively for dispensing or spreading water, dust or liquid fertilizers or agricultural chemicals, as defined in K.S.A. 2-2202, and amendments thereto, regardless of ownership;
(4) a truck mounted with a fertilizer spreader used or manufactured principally to spread animal dung;
(5) a mixer-feed truck owned and used by a feedlot, as defined in K.S.A. 47-1501, and amendments thereto, and specially designed and used exclusively for dispensing food to livestock in such feedlot.
(dd) "Motorized wheelchair" means any self-propelled vehicle designed specifically for use by a physically disabled person that is incapable of a speed in excess of 15 miles per hour.
(ee) "Oil well servicing, oil well clean-out or oil well drilling machinery or equipment" means a vehicle constructed as a machine used exclusively for servicing, cleaning-out or drilling an oil well and consisting in general of a mast, an engine for power, a draw works and a chassis permanently constructed or assembled for one or more of those purposes. The passenger capacity of the cab of a vehicle shall not be considered in determining whether such vehicle is an oil well servicing, oil well clean-out or oil well drilling machinery or equipment.
(ff) "Electric personal assistive mobility device" means a self-balancing two nontandem wheeled device, designed to transport only one person, with an electric propulsion system that limits the maximum speed of the device to 15 miles per hour or less.
(gg) "Electronic certificate of title" means any electronic record of ownership, including any lien or liens that may be recorded, retained by the division in accordance with K.S.A. 2005 Supp. 8-135d, and amendments thereto. History: deleted for the sake of brevity

Dad, can we get a better url to that excellent text?

thanks pookie

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by dadmoonbunny

while researching state stautes across the nation, I found this gem in the statutes relating to the vehicle code in Kansas. Pay attention to the defenition of person, and vehicle.


Statute 8-126

Chapter 8.--AUTOMOBILES AND OTHER VEHICLES Article 1.--GENERAL PROVISIONS
8-126. Definitions. The following words and phrases when used in this act shall have the meanings respectively ascribed to them herein:
(a) "Vehicle" means every device in, upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a public highway, excepting electric personal assistive mobility devices or devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.
(b) "Motor vehicle" means every vehicle, other than a motorized bicycle or a motorized wheelchair, which is self-propelled.
(c) "Truck" means a motor vehicle which is used for the transportation or delivery of freight and merchandise or more than 10 passengers.
(d) "Motorcycle" means every motor vehicle designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, except any such vehicle as may be included within the term "tractor" as herein defined.
(e) "Truck tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used primarily for drawing other vehicles, and not so constructed as to carry a load other than a part of the weight of the vehicle or load so drawn.
(f) "Farm tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used as a farm implement power unit operated with or without other attached farm implements in any manner consistent with the structural design of such power unit.
(g) "Road tractor" means every motor vehicle designed and used for drawing other vehicles, and not so constructed as to carry any load thereon independently, or any part of the weight of a vehicle or load so drawn.
(h) "Trailer" means every vehicle without motive power designed to carry property or passengers wholly on its own structure and to be drawn by a motor vehicle.
(i) "Semitrailer" means every vehicle of the trailer type so designed and used in conjunction with a motor vehicle that some part of its own weight and that of its own load rests upon or is carried by another vehicle.
(j) "Pole trailer" means any two-wheel vehicle used as a trailer with bolsters that support the load, and do not have a rack or body extending to the tractor drawing the load.
(k) "Specially constructed vehicle" means any vehicle which shall not have been originally constructed under a distinctive name, make, model or type, or which, if originally otherwise constructed shall have been materially altered by the removal of essential parts, or by the addition or substitution of essential parts, new or used, derived from other vehicles or makes of vehicles.
(l) "Foreign vehicle" means every motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer which shall be brought into this state otherwise than in ordinary course of business by or through a manufacturer or dealer and which has not been registered in this state.
(m) "Person" means every natural person, firm, partnership, association or corporation.
(n) "Owner" means a person who holds the legal title of a vehicle, or in the event a vehicle is the subject of an agreement for the conditional sale thereof with the right of purchase upon performance of the conditions stated in the agreement and with an immediate right of possession vested in the conditional vendee or in the event a vehicle is subject to a lease of 30 days or more with an immediate right of possession vested in the lessee; or in the event a party having a security interest in a vehicle is entitled to possession, then such conditional vendee or lessee or secured party shall be deemed the owner for the purpose of this act.
(o) "Nonresident" means every person who is not a resident of this state.
(p) "Manufacturer" means every person engaged in the business of manufacturing motor vehicles, trailers or semitrailers.
(q) "New vehicle dealer" means every person actively engaged in the business of buying, selling or exchanging new motor vehicles, travel trailers, trailers or vehicles and who holds a dealer's contract therefor from a manufacturer or distributor and who has an established place of business in this state.
(r) "Used vehicle dealer" means every person actively engaged in the business of buying, selling or exchanging used vehicles, and having an established place of business in this state and who does not hold a dealer's contract for the sale of new motor vehicles, travel trailers, trailers or vehicles.
(s) "Highway" means every way or place of whatever nature open to the use of the public as a matter of right for the purpose of vehicular travel. The term "highway" shall not be deemed to include a roadway or driveway upon grounds owned by private owners, colleges, universities or other institutions.
(t) "Department" or "motor vehicle department" or "vehicle department" means the division of vehicles of the department of revenue, acting directly or through its duly authorized officers and agents.
(u) "Commission" or "state highway commission" means the director of vehicles of the department of revenue.
(v) "Division" means the division of vehicles of the department of revenue.
(w) "Travel trailer" means every vehicle without motive power designed to be towed by a motor vehicle constructed primarily for recreational purposes.
(x) "Passenger vehicle" means every motor vehicle, as herein defined, which is designed primarily to carry 10 or fewer passengers, and which is not used as a truck.
(y) "Self-propelled farm implement" means every farm implement designed for specific use applications with its motive power unit permanently incorporated in its structural design.
(z) "Farm trailer" means every trailer as defined in subsection (h) of this section and every semitrailer as defined in subsection (i) of this section, designed and used primarily as a farm vehicle.
(aa) "Motorized bicycle" means every device having two tandem wheels or three wheels, which may be propelled by either human power or helper motor, or by both, and which has:
(1) A motor which produces not more than 3.5 brake horsepower;
(2) a cylinder capacity of not more than 130 cubic centimeters;
(3) an automatic transmission; and
(4) the capability of a maximum design speed of no more than 30 miles per hour.
(bb) "All-terrain vehicle" means any motorized nonhighway vehicle 48 inches or less in width, having a dry weight of 1,000 pounds or less, traveling on three or more low-pressure tires, having a seat designed to be straddled by the operator. As used in this subsection, low-pressure tire means any pneumatic tire six inches or more in width, designed for use on wheels with rim diameter of 12 inches or less, and utilizing an operating pressure of 10 pounds per square inch or less as recommended by the vehicle manufacturer.
(cc) "Implement of husbandry" means every vehicle designed or adapted and used exclusively for agricultural operations, including feedlots, and only incidentally moved or operated upon the highways. Such term shall include, but not be limited to:
(1) A farm tractor;
(2) a self-propelled farm implement;
(3) a fertilizer spreader, nurse tank or truck permanently mounted with a spreader used exclusively for dispensing or spreading water, dust or liquid fertilizers or agricultural chemicals, as defined in K.S.A. 2-2202, and amendments thereto, regardless of ownership;
(4) a truck mounted with a fertilizer spreader used or manufactured principally to spread animal dung;
(5) a mixer-feed truck owned and used by a feedlot, as defined in K.S.A. 47-1501, and amendments thereto, and specially designed and used exclusively for dispensing food to livestock in such feedlot.
(dd) "Motorized wheelchair" means any self-propelled vehicle designed specifically for use by a physically disabled person that is incapable of a speed in excess of 15 miles per hour.
(ee) "Oil well servicing, oil well clean-out or oil well drilling machinery or equipment" means a vehicle constructed as a machine used exclusively for servicing, cleaning-out or drilling an oil well and consisting in general of a mast, an engine for power, a draw works and a chassis permanently constructed or assembled for one or more of those purposes. The passenger capacity of the cab of a vehicle shall not be considered in determining whether such vehicle is an oil well servicing, oil well clean-out or oil well drilling machinery or equipment.
(ff) "Electric personal assistive mobility device" means a self-balancing two nontandem wheeled device, designed to transport only one person, with an electric propulsion system that limits the maximum speed of the device to 15 miles per hour or less.
(gg) "Electronic certificate of title" means any electronic record of ownership, including any lien or liens that may be recorded, retained by the division in accordance with K.S.A. 2005 Supp. 8-135d, and amendments thereto. History: deleted for the sake of brevity

Good info.

[Dillon Hunt]

s) "Highway" means every way or place of whatever nature open to the use of the public as a matter of right for the purpose of vehicular travel. The term "highway" shall not be deemed to include a roadway or driveway upon grounds owned by private owners, colleges, universities or other institutions.

Is it saying the use of the Highway is a Right? This might be used in court.

Dillon, Just my 2 cents.

[dadmoonbunny]

http://www.ksrevenue.org/taxincent-ksa8126.htm

I posted the initial find, as an example of what to look for. In the original chain of statutes, a lot of the first were cancelled/deleted. It seems that before anyone can try any of that "sovereign stuff" in that state, the legislaters have worked hard to head it off. After all, can't have too many of the slaves finding the answer and breaking free.

Now that we all know another spot to look at where things are "hidden in plain sight", we can work on methods to defeat the corruption and abrogation of our GOD-given rights.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by dadmoonbunny

http://www.ksrevenue.org/taxincent-ksa8126.htm

I posted the initial find, as an example of what to look for. In the original chain of statutes, a lot of the first were cancelled/deleted. It seems that before anyone can try any of that "sovereign stuff" in that state, the legislaters have worked hard to head it off. After all, can't have too many of the slaves finding the answer and breaking free.

Now that we all know another spot to look at where things are "hidden in plain sight", we can work on methods to defeat the corruption and abrogation of our GOD-given rights.

ya wanna know what I think?

I thin that Our Elected stewards are good people, even men like Kennedy and Rockfeller;

but the liars on the office-staff of every steward, and in all the executive, legislative and judicial branch and office
are directly and with impunity interfering with our stewards' Citizen-given authority to take care of OUR government.

We here on the Forum KNOW who the players are - is there anyone here who believes differently after considering what you've just read?

Please post a response explaining.

[powder]

I don't think our elected officials are 'clean'. My p.o.v. on this is pretty simple:

There are specific sectors in control, obviously.

Of the politicans, the ones that 'know the truth' are promoted to positions of greater responsibility/control. Not public perception of control or responsibility...

How can our elected officials NOT know what is going on? are they so brainwashed, socially engineered, that they think just like the sheeple? No way.

I think the people that learn the truth and attempt to expose it are 'targetted'. Would any of the FBI onlookers care to respond?

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by powder

I don't think our elected officials are 'clean'. My p.o.v. on this is pretty simple:

There are specific sectors in control, obviously.

Of the politicans, the ones that 'know the truth' are promoted to positions of greater responsibility/control. Not public perception of control or responsibility...

How can our elected officials NOT know what is going on? are they so brainwashed, socially engineered, that they think just like the sheeple? No way.

I think the people that learn the truth and attempt to expose it are 'targetted'. Would any of the FBI onlookers care to respond?

Nobody can claim a clean hands. All flowers grow from the dirt.
Go figure.

[dadmoonbunny]

look at it from a couple of different angles. One, from the scriptures wherein it states, for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD, or from the master cynics way off thinking, that ALL men are evil, and humanity is totally depraved.

I prefer to think that inside all bad guys, a bit of good remains, and inside all good men is a spark of evil. I refer to folks that are sane though, not those either completely insane, or "possessed."

[idknow]

Originally Posted by powder

I don't think our elected officials are 'clean'. My p.o.v. on this is pretty simple:

There are specific sectors in control, obviously.

Of the politicans, the ones that 'know the truth' are promoted to positions of greater responsibility/control. Not public perception of control or responsibility...

How can our elected officials NOT know what is going on? are they so brainwashed, socially engineered, that they think just like the sheeple? No way.

I think the people that learn the truth and attempt to expose it are 'targetted'. Would any of the FBI onlookers care to respond?

Powder, I appreciate your posting your pov, but consider, our elected stewards are just like us - with varying degrees of knowledge and education.

It's not inconceivable that most would NOT know what we discuss here on the Forum.

And besides, how would one of us go about asking questions to determine if THEY know?

Thanks for the post.