Traffic Citation

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by mystic one

I recieved a citation stating, that i have to pay 320 dollars for a suspended DL ... The "event" took place in OHIO.. The statue states that if i dont pay it, your dl can be supsended , not eligible for renew, or ineligiable for application for an ohio dl.. The thing is, i dont reside in OHIo and would never desire one. They didnt say your license will be put into the national system and your license can be revoked, it simply stated ohio in the letter, no reference to other states. What is the worst case scenario if i dishonor the Ohio citation, if i live in indiana, Will they just place a judgement on my credit report?

Do your rules and codes state that a physical appearance is mandatory?

Do the rules and codes make it mandatory to enter a plea to a ticket?

Is the citation really a complaint as it is defined in the rules and codes?

Is it a summons as defined in the rules and codes?

[masterduke]

In the big dragnet utopia these authority types have jammed us into you have the option of paying it or having a debt collector jerk chase you later and possible arrest in Ohio if your pulled over there. I know the cops want to be able to snag you for outstanding traffic warrants from other states but I don't think the police state is totally locked in yet. (correct me if I'm wrong here) If you ain't gonna fight it, I would just try to pay it. Which sucks, as it is just about the biggest waste of your money that can happen. But getting badgered later by some doughnut gobbler on the side of the road at 2 a.m. and having that pop up is just not worth it. Or having some wolpoff wannabe chasing you later is just not worth it either.

[weishaupt1776]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/traffic-law/

[weishaupt1776]

Mystic, both threads you posted concerning this one topic have been merged.

You also posted a travel related incident in the court thread.

You are making me work

[mystic one]

i suppose what im hearing here, is No. they cant suspend your dl for indiana? They will only put the outstanding debt in the ohio database, and my only concern is if your driving in ohio again if failuire to pay?

As long as i pay my oringinal indiana sups. which i found out was only 25 dollars yeah. i have nothing to worry about in terms of OHio sending info over to indiana to suspend it In indiana.. States only issue failures to appear in there "State DMVS" correct? You would only get hassled if pulled over in ohio again, as there is no cooperation between indiana in ohio. The ohio dmv is not going to contact the indiana dmb about my failure to appear and tell indiana to suspend??...The reason i think this theory is correct. is on time, about a year ago, i never paid a ticket in memphis tennessee. and when i got the ticket in indiana , the cop never said you have an outstanding balance from the city of memphis. Hence. I think states are only concerned with there own revenues and not infomration sharing with other states??

I suppose i could pay up ohio. but why bother if it has not consequences in other states, only the state of origin??Please continue your thoughts.??? Since, ive already contracted with them, it would be alot of homework, sending stuff to ohio, getting the charge dropped totally/?? This happened back in janurary, so i would already be in dishonor and would be fighting a losing battle using right to travel affadavits , motions, et cetra.

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by mystic one

Ok, awhile back i posted a question about my traffic citation.. I am going to type here exactly what it says. and would appreciate some input about "dl suspensions"..

If i fail to pay this. can they suspend my dl in indiana again, or is this only stating jurisdiction in the state of Ohio?

I am currently studying the right to travel, but in the mean time need specific answers to this specfic case, since ive already contracted with them.

the letter goes as follows:

Notice final time to pay court order:
You are to have your fines and court costs to be paid by may 5, 2006. attached to this notice is a balance ledger sheet listing all your accounts with amounts due.If not paid in full, You do not need to appear. Extensiton of this court date will not be granted. As of June 1, 2005, all accounts upaid by there court date will be sent to Capital recovery services for debt collection. A 25% fee fore each case that remains unpaid will be added to the amount you owwe at the time your account is sent out for collection.

Heres the kicer: I do not want to Pay the 320 dollars they say i owe them but want to know the "repercusion" doing so before i act, because, im paying a 25 dollar fee here in awhile and my indiana lic. will be clean again and i dont want it to get suspended again in the meantime by not paying the ohio citation.. Please do not post any comments about right to travel.. I am working on that process, but in the meantime want only specific courses of action for the time being.

Ok, heres where they try to threaten me if i dont pay the Ohio Citation:

A registration block and/or dl forfieture will be sent to the Ohio Dept. of motor vehicles preventing you from registering a vehicle, renewing your current registration,, renewing your dl, and/or applying for an Ohio Identfication card....

NOthing is stated in this "statutory threat/notice" about indiana. So are they basically saying that if you dont pay us, your not going to be eligible for Ohio DL> Who gives a **** , right..... It says nothing about suspending your lic in your state of "residence" ( i know legal term). it only says Ohio.. So big deal, they 'll try to have a 3rd party debt collecter contact me. But i dont give my address out anymore to anyone.. I give them red herrings. They cant suspende my dl in indiana because according to that statement it only applies to debt collection/ revokation in the state of OHIo??

Please post your thoughts..

First of first, if you pay the fine, your insurance is going to jerk up probabilities of 80% or more for any conviction in your MVR.

Secondly, Ohio DMV can report your citation to Indiana DMV for failing to honor the citation; contest, pay the fine or both true their Global Communication Systems.

Thirdly,you can send the collection off any time of the day;they are very easy to get rid off.

Check the ordinance, and Municipal code of both state relatively to moving violations, and jurisdiction, very important.

[Satori]

Very informative! There was one concern I had with the information you shared, though:

Originally Posted by charlesa6

Secondly, Ohio DMV can report your citation to Indiana DMV for failing to honor the citation; contest, pay the fine or both true their Global Communication Systems.

I'll admit, I'm not conversant with the DMV. But I am learning about commercial law, and contesting something as I understand it is a form of dishonor. See the file I added to the Downloads section:

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/downlo...do=file&id=228

It describes honoring and dishonoring presentments, notes and such and describes why conditionally accepting them is so desirable in the Law merchant.

Incidentally, it describes a method to get the matter settled through a Notary, not unlike the Notary Protest method. Enjoy.

- Satori

[mystic one]

Definitions of Safety Responsibility Forms
SR16 - A form used by courts to notify the Bureau that a driver has been convicted, failed to appear, or failed to pay a citation for violating a motor vehicle law. This form also notifies the Bureau if any of the above orders have been rescinded.

SR17 - A form used by courts to notify the Bureau that a hardship or probationary license will be issued to the driver named in the order. This form tells the Bureau the duration of the license and any limits on the motorist’s driving privileges.

SR21 - This is the Indiana Operator’s Proof of Insurance/Crash Report used by any driver involved in motor vehicle accident in injury, death or property damage in excess of $1,000.00. This should be signed by your insurance company verifying insurance coverage. This form should be mailed within ten (10) days of the accident to the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
Download the Indiana Operator’s Proof of Insurance/Crash Report

SR22 - This form is used for proof of financial responsibility by drivers who have been convicted of an offense which requires the driver to maintain financial responsibility for a three(3) year period. Such violations are, but not limited to: OWI, Operating Per Se, Leaving the Scene of an Accident. The form must be filed with the Bureau for three years from the date determined by the Bureau.

SR23 - This form is used for proving financial responsibility for vehicle fleets.

SR26 - This form is used by insurance companies to notify the Bureau that a policy reported on the SR22 or SR23 form has been canceled. The form carries the cancellation date.

SR31 - This form and an accompanying package are used by persons who wish to use a method other than an insurance policy to prove financial responsibility, Self Insurance.

SR33 - This form is used by the court to notify the Bureau of the status and amount of a financial judgment against the owner or operator of a motor vehicle.

SR50 - This form is used by a person to provide proof of current insurance to the Bureau. The form shows the Bureau the begin and end dates of the current policy.


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General Definitions
Mailing address:
Drivers are required by law to notify the Bureau of an address change immediately. An individual must either notify the Bureau in writing or have their driver license changed to reflect a current address. This is important so that the Bureau has the current address on file in case the Bureau must notify an individual for some reason. NOTE: Changing your address on a vehicle registration renewal does not update your driver license address.
Failure to Pay:
(FTP) This is when a driver is convicted of a citation and fails to pay the fine.

Failure to Appear :
(FTA) This is when a driver receives a citation and fails to appear in court.

Failure to Comply:
(FTC) This is when an out of state driver receives a citation in Indiana and fails to meet court requirements. A notice is sent to the driver’s state of record and the driver is suspended in Indiana until the ticket is satisfied through the court.

Official Driving Record:
(ODR) This is a description of an individual’s driving record, including tickets, proof of insurance and notices mailed to the driver.

Certificate of Compliance:
This is proof of insurance, signed by the agent verifying that the driver of the vehicle was covered by insurance at the time of an accident or when they received a traffic ci

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by Satori

Very informative! There was one concern I had with the information you shared, though:



I'll admit, I'm not conversant with the DMV. But I am learning about commercial law, and contesting something as I understand it is a form of dishonor. See the file I added to the Downloads section:

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/downlo...do=file&id=228

It describes honoring and dishonoring presentments, notes and such and describes why conditionally accepting them is so desirable in the Law merchant.

Incidentally, it describes a method to get the matter settled through a Notary, not unlike the Notary Protest method. Enjoy.

- Satori

DMV give you the right to Contest, Pay the fine, Request for hearing for the citation. That is not honoring or dishonoring, it just a privilege to settle one way or the other way you choose.
Citation is not a note, is a moving violation that have nothing to do with presentment.
Presentment come in, when the collection agent want to collect for DMV, then you can use the notary protest if you want for them to prove their claims.

You will not, cannot settle the citation true the notary protest,because citation is totally different program entirely.
With all this revelation going on right now, the lender or black robe will not accept any instrument presented or protest whether honoring or dishonoring don't matter, instruction given by the OCC alerts.
I ask the judge why, he said if they accept the entire instrument presented by individual, the economics will collapse, because everybody will be cancelled their debt, and coming back for more.

[mystic one]

License/Bond Forfeiture
Ohio Revised Code Section 4510.22


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Cause

Driver is charged with a violation which is classified as a first, second, third or fourth degree misdemeanor. Driver either fails to appear in court at the required time or appears and pleads guilty or is found guilty and fails to pay the fine within the required time.

Length of Suspension

Driver license and vehicle registration are suspended indefinitely.

NOTE:
Effective May 19, 1997, per Senate Bill 121, Vehicle Registration will also be blocked with this suspension.

Suspension remains in effect until the driver appears in court to answer the charge and pay the fine, or pays the fine originally imposed.

The vehicle registration and license remains suspended until a "Release of Forfeiture" is received from the court.

Appeal Procedures

None.

Reinstatement Requirements:
Driver must make a court appearance and pay all fines.

Release of forfeiture forwarded to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.

Effective September 16, 2004, House Bill 230 requires a $15.00 reinstatement fee to cover BMV administrative costs.


this says nothing about indiana ohio sharing and if an ohio citation can cause an indiana suspension. wheras the indiana cite does state within the state, out of state drivers will be suspended in indiana. but other states dont post this info....... muthaphuccas, its like they dont want us to know ****...