Traffic Citation

[mystic one]

well screw it, im not finding any answres in the dmv rule books about not paying a citation in ohio.. it says suspended in ohio, so i can only presume this doesnt affect indiana unless you accumulate any points.. Well

I still have until may... I would schedule a hearing, but that would mean i would have to fly out to ohio to do the hearing and im not about to do that.. since i already plead not guilty on the ticket.. can i still cancel this contract from january or is it to late? just write them a letter, doing a refusal for cause or is already to late since i was already pleaded non guilty in the adminstrative , was fingerprinted and booked. i still have time to do something, or is it to late in the game. IF its not to late, how do i drop charges since i did the big no no and did pleading on admin hearing and ticket?????

[weishaupt1776]

what rules of court govern Ohio traffic cases?

[idknow]

Originally Posted by mystic one

well screw it, im not finding any answres in the dmv rule books about not paying a citation in ohio.. it says suspended in ohio, so i can only presume this doesnt affect indiana unless you accumulate any points.. Well

I still have until may... I would schedule a hearing, but that would mean i would have to fly out to ohio to do the hearing and im not about to do that.. since i already plead not guilty on the ticket.. can i still cancel this contract from january or is it to late? just write them a letter, doing a refusal for cause or is already to late since i was already pleaded non guilty in the adminstrative , was fingerprinted and booked. i still have time to do something, or is it to late in the game. IF its not to late, how do i drop charges since i did the big no no and did pleading on admin hearing and ticket?????

"revenue" sharing would be by drivers liecnse compact tween the states, OHIO will tell everyone.

as for "judicial" decisions, they are given equivalent weight in all states by comity

[mystic one]

33 posts and no solid strategies?? well **** it, it looks like pay the ticket or get more points for failure to pay.

i would like to void this whole contract, but i already signed citation, went to admin hearing pleaded not guilty, was booked and convicted driving on citation.. i dont have to pay the fee until may 5. I would like some sound strategies to void this contract.. If its not too late in the game, somebody list a sound strategy step by step to have this charge dropped......... with 33 posts all ive been hearing is a bunch of mumbo jumbo -lol

[Satori]

Originally Posted by mystic one

33 posts and no solid strategies??

I thought I linked you to the relevant material, but that might have been another thread. So I'll put it here for you. The following was found on ecclesia.org.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
HONORABLE JOHN G. DAVIES, JUDGE PRESIDING

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA )
)
Plaintiff(s) )
)
vs. ) NO. CV-94 xxxx -JGD
)
RANDY L. OxxxxxxxxxR )
____________Defendant(s)_ )

REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
Los Angeles, California - Monday, March 21, 1994

BEVERLY A. CASARES CSR# 8630
Official Court Reporter
312 North Spring Street, Room 440
Los Angeles, California 90012
(213) 617-2305

APPEARANCES:
FOR PLAINTIFF(S) GREGORY A. ROTH
312 N. Spring Street
Los Angeles, California 90012
(213) 894-2410
FOR DEFENDANT(S) RANDY L. OxxxxxxxxxR

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA; MONDAY, MARCH 21, 1994; 1:30 P.M.

THE CLERK: Item number 6, case number CV-94xxxxx, United States of America versus Randy L. Oxxxxxxxxxr.

MR. ROTH: Good afternoon, your Honor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Roth appearing on behalf of the United States, and its agency the Internal Revenue Service.

THE COURT: Is there any opposition?

MR. OxxxxxxxxxR: For the record.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. OxxxxxxxxxR: My Christian name is Randy Lee, and my family name is Oxxxxxxxxxr.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. OxxxxxxxxxR: That is spelled capital R, lower case, a-n-d-y, capital L, lower case e-e, capital O, lower case x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-r.

I have responded to this petition because it was found on the door of the place where I take up housekeeping, and attempts to create a colorable persona under colorable law by the name of capital R-A-N-D-Y L period, O-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-R, the artifice being used here to deceive this Honorable Court, must be abated as a Public Nuisance.

For the record, Randy Lee and Jesus the Christ Advocate and Wonderful Counselor are using the Right of Visitation to exercise Ministerial Powers to be heard on this matter.

I, Randy Lee, am a native Californian and a Man on the Land in Los Angeles County, not a resident in the Federal Judicial District in the Central District of California.

My Colors and Authority is the California Bear Flag with the Gold star. My Law is My Family Bible. And my Status is shown by the Seal of the People.

I am who I say I am, not who the U.S. Attorney says I am. Further I sayeth not and I stand mute.

THE COURT: All right. Please take your things off of the podium and sit down at your table. Mr. Roth, do you have any response to this alleged case of mistaken identity.

MR. ROTH: Well, your Honor, Mr. Oxxxxxxxxxr seems to think that if you spell your name in upper and lower case, it relieves him of compliance.

THE COURT: Thank you, Mr. Roth. Please call the next case clerk.

(Proceedings concluded.)

C E R T I F I C A T E
I hereby certify that the foregoing matter entitled UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus RANDY L. OxxxxxxxxxR No. CV-94 xxxx -JGD is transcribed from the stenographic notes taken by me and is a true and accurate description of the same.
_____(signed)____________________. ____3/25/94________________.
BEVERLY A. CASARES CSR# 8630, Official Court Reporter


Randy Lee explains

There is a maxim of law, "Scire leges, non hoc verba earum tenere, sed vim et potestatem," which in English is "To know the law is, not to observe their mere words, but their force and power." Bouvier's (1914), page 2162.

This is the problem that the church (the body of believers) has. They know the words, and many can rattle the verses off of their tongue like silk, but they have no idea how to execute their [God's] Law. A testament is meaningless unless it can be executed. Where Christians lack knowledge is in the area of procedural law. How do we execute The Testament of Jesus Christ?

"Mistaken identity" not only takes in 'the name,' but more importantly, it takes in the force and power of 'the law of one's forum.' The questions in the mind of the judge would be, "what law do you identify with? Where do you reside? Who is your master, etc." These questions all concern your 'identity.'

In short, 'the name' really wasn't the main article concerning the 'mistaken identity.' It appears to be, because Mr. Roth ended by referring to the spelling of the name. I don't know if that was ignorance on his part, or a ruse. The spelling of the name concerns 'misnomer,' which is only a small part of 'identity.'

When one walks into a foreign court, one must import their law into that court in order to distinguish and separate himself from that court's foreign law. The spelling of the name would have been meaningless without importing 'The Law', which is The Bible and The Word of God, and also stating that I was 'exercising ministerial powers' under Jesus Christ. These are the marks that lead to a decision of 'mistaken identity.' Judge Davies, who is the presiding judge for the district, knew exactly what I was doing, and gave me recognition, not because of the words that came out of my mouth, but because of their force and power. The maxim of law, 'All men know God' would apply in this case, because I came in a ministerial capacity under God.

The reference to 'mistaken identity' most importantly referred to me not being 'a resident of the federal judicial district of the central district of California.' The 'residency' requirement in civil cases is paramount in establishing jurisdiction for the court to hear the case. When I made that statement, Mr. Roth didn't rebut it, so Davies had to drop the case. Why wasn't Roth able to rebut residency? I don't have a driver's license, an address (general delivery is not an address), corporate employment, etc. In other words, Davies could see from what was presented to him, that I wasn't serving two masters.

So, when reading a transcript or court decision, always take into account all of the possibilities of what a word or a combination of words is referring to. Lawyers and Judges can be very good at covering up the true meaning of a situation.

As a side note, a friend of mine went before a different judge 2 weeks later on an 'Order to Show Cause.' He used basically the same argument as me. Mr. Roth was the U.S. Attorney again, and the case ended with the same results as mine. Mr. Roth again referred to 'the name' and the judge, again, referred to 'mistaken identity.'

[mystic one]

satori: that will work if i want to schedule another hearing in ohio, but i live all the way out in NYC now.. i would have to schedule and fly out the way out to ohio just for the proceedings to fight this....


I read your transcript but that is for court proceedings. can i just do some paper dueling with the ohio fuccers?? .... jurisdiction can be challenged at anytime during paper dueling as well , right?

[Satori]

Originally Posted by mystic one

jurisdiction can be challenged at anytime during paper dueling as well , right?

I've heard what seem to be contradictory things on that. Well, encountered in my research, actually. Statutory courts generally insist on establishing the jurisdiction first and then moving on, but I don't think that's actually lawful. If they don't have the jurisdiction to do something, that should be settleable at any time.

As for "paper dueling", sovereign citizens can and do establish truth in the form of writs and affidavits. I just used Sui Juris' Affidavit of Material Fact as a boilerplate for negating two papers labelled "NOTICE TO APPEAR" on them. They haven't been emitted to the so-called court yet.

I can't wait until we get the research establishing the corporate nature of local courts under the federal corporation and boilerplate that instead. Rather than responding with, "No, I'm sovereign" we'll be reponding with, "Ugly? Did you call me ugly? Get back in your yard in the District of Columbia.". We have the assignation of D.C.'s jurisdiction being limited to D.C., we have the cite where D.C. established the municipal corporation, now all we have to do is get the charter for the corporate states as being owned by the federal government (which should be simple to find, actually), and then we'll be able to get them on trying to exert federal authority outside D.C. when they can't, and shut the whole statutory court thing down instead of trying to establish our sovereignty with them.

But for the moment, an Affidavit of Material Fact should work.

- Satori

[mystic one]

Ok, NEO. i will check it out material fact affadavit in the downloads section..... 40 posts satori, your almost unplugged, agent smith is scared now

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Satori

I thought I linked you to the relevant material, but that might have been another thread. So I'll put it here for you. The following was found on ecclesia.org.

Every time I read that transcript I get a thrill of joy for Randy and his example!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by mystic one

satori: that will work if i want to schedule another hearing in ohio, but i live all the way out in NYC now.. i would have to schedule and fly out the way out to ohio just for the proceedings to fight this....


I read your transcript but that is for court proceedings. can i just do some paper dueling with the ohio fuccers?? .... jurisdiction can be challenged at anytime during paper dueling as well , right?

only Subject Matter Jurisdiction can be challenged at any time, and according to all the court decisions and points that I've seen, is open to challenging through all steps of an action

BUT "lawyers" dont know this: so when it comes up, remind those who check incoming paper-work, that they are not to make decisions on papers you file, only "judges" do that.

I questioned subject matter jurisdiction in a landlord-tenant action aginst me once, the appeal was dismissed because the "lawyer"-idiot didnt know what subject matter jursidction was and thought it was in personam jur.

idiot are everywhere.