traffic court today

KingC · #1 05-10-2006, 03:44 PM

it was a substitute judge..

the cop wasn't there when they called me up and i filed a motion to dismisss.

"u can't do that..Don't try to get clever on me" the judge said.

"He doesn't have to show up because u was to have an attorney present" the judge said..I said no i wasn't i said i will explore my options of getting my own attorney i never said i will have one present when i show up..

He said he will continue it until i get an attorney and he told the pd to talk with me..

The public defender walking out of the court snarled "ur going to learn to don't play with judge sausagehead..."

Anyway the freakin pd tried to scare me saying everyone he knows facing the judge with my charges does time..

"I said well i am not worried cuz i will take it to a higher court".I said... the pd then said there is no higher court...until the trial is over then u can appeal..

I said "the motions i have filed i am not worried about anything happening to me(which was a lie

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then he tried to get out of me what kind of paperwork i had.. i briefed him on it and he said he will talk to the states attorney(yung guy fresh from graduation)

The PD told me 12 month supervision and it doesn't go on my record i told him well i can't promise i won't f up in a year from now.. the pd said"well thats the minimum i can't go any further down" I said"Ok I will just stick with my docs..."

Then i was talking to this guy who uses right way law.. but not for court since he is trying to practice law..

He said i should try to get 3 months and i ran that pass the pd

the public defender said he doesn't want to ruffle any feathers...

I said how does 6 months sound.. He stopped in his tracks to think about it then he said he will talk to the states attorney...

He told me the states attorney would give me 6 months supervision and it doesn't go on my record if i plead guilty to all the tickets or i was possibly facing ten days in cook county jail chicago illinois..

I thought about doing the time but i said f it i'll take it..

the judge said well don't drive until jesse white (secretary of state) tells me to...

weishaupt1776 · #2 05-10-2006, 03:56 PM

Was this the trial or arraignment?

If the trial, the cop didn't show?

If so, then you should've objected and said that there was no evidence, therefore no evidence, no case !!!!!!

squirrel · #3 05-10-2006, 04:06 PM

Since when, does the "Blaaagh" secretary of state "blaaagh" have anything to do with your "drivers license."

Jeez these s*** will think of anything to try and blow smoke up the people's but.

You should have asked the pansy if he had a VERIFIED complaint.

But I'm sure he would have tried to blow some more smoke up the koolu.

Well at least you know you kinda had them on the run, they did take your offer.

It does take balls to stand up to these s***, and you did a good job.
Most people I know roll over and beg for mercy, "Blaaagh" such cowards.

BOBT12 · #4 05-10-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Was this the trial or arraignment?

If the trial, the cop didn't show?

If so, then you should've objected and said that there was no evidence, therefore no evidence, no case !!!!!!

Emphasis added.

I agree!

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Originally Posted by BOBT12

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Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

If the prosecutor has half a brain and doesn't want to waste the court's time, he or she should make the motion to dismiss when the Judge asks if they're ready to proceed. If they don't, all you have to do is say: "Your Honor, because the (state/county/city)'s witness is not available, I move the court for a dismissal."

You may hear fancier ways but that's the gist of it.

They may move for a continuance (officer so-an-so is in Judge Doe's court and will be here any moment - quite possible that would be granted depending on how the schedule has been running) or they won't have a good excuse but they'll try anyway, at which point, you would say something like: "Your Honor, I object to any delay in this trial."

Again, I recommend you spend some time observing in the court of the Judge that's going to hear your case. You'll get to see at least one or two that end up like that every day. You'll also get a feel for how much patience they have with cases being brought that aren't being handled correctly. After losing three cases in a row for not having a witness available, I recall the comment went something like: "Mr. Smith, do you have a calendar problem or are the deputies just ticked off at you?"

Wow! JRB, you are direct, and on the mark. I take back a couple of negative comments (you can choose whichever ones you would like).

However, as I mentioned earlier, an officer (acting as the prosecutor) informs everyone, about thirty people in the courtroom, that the officers who handed out the citation will not be present for the trial. The officer/prosecutor goes on to say that the officers/witnesses are too busy to bother to show up at court, and she, acting as the prosecutor, will represent the missing officers/witnesses.

Then she discussed plea agreements, and the risks associated with refusing a plea, such a hirer fine and/or points on your DL. This time the court did not discusse individual code violations, as they did in the past. They just call individuals by name and asked if they would accept the plea offer. Of course, most people took the plea bargain. The amount seemed to cost about $130.00.

The courthouse had at least five courtroom setup in this manner. I guess the math is as follows: $130.00x30=$3900.00x 5=$19,500 in fines, before lunch. This is a very low estimate, because there maybe many more courtrooms and several session per day.

Again, thanks for your suggestions JRB.

BobT

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/court/...html#post68275

KingC · #5 05-10-2006, 04:50 PM

It wasn't a trial because i never was asked to plea..the judge was tellin folks wait ten minutes until the cop shows up because all of them was late..

they just wanted me to get an attorney.. The first time in court the judge tried to misconstrue the motion to dismiss to a motion to suppress evidence

The first appearance last month i told him i didn't want a lawyer...And one guy who had court with me who studies right way law told me to tell him i will explore my option of gettin my own attorney...

So i guess they was expectin to see me with an attorney...the lady who files the work asked do i have an attorney even before the judge came in..I said no..she replied uhh ooh well u r suppose to have an attorney...

the freakin pd had the nerve to say somethin like people like u who don't show up with an attorney in our dialog i can't remember where though..the first thing they try to do is scare you.. when u don't back down... then they try another approach....but it was worth my while to just get it all over with..

BOBT12 · #6 05-10-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KingC

It wasn't a trial because i never was asked to plea..the judge was tellin folks wait ten minutes until the cop shows up because all of them was late..

they just wanted me to get an attorney.. The first time in court the judge tried to misconstrue the motion to dismiss to a motion to suppress evidence

The first appearance last month i told him i didn't want a lawyer...And one guy who had court with me who studies right way law told me to tell him i will explore my option of gettin my own attorney...

So i guess they was expectin to see me with an attorney...the lady who files the work asked do i have an attorney even before the judge came in..I said no..she replied uhh ooh well u r suppose to have an attorney...

the freakin pd had the nerve to say somethin like people like u who don't show up with an attorney in our dialog i can't remember where though..the first thing they try to do is scare you.. when u don't back down... then they try another approach....but it was worth my while to just get it all over with..

Emphasis added.

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Originally Posted by mrg

This is interesting:

Read the Gladden transcript:
http://commonlawvenue.com/Court/148-gladden.pdf

And the decision on appeal:
http://touchngo.com/ap/html/ap-1979.htm

Special thanks to mrg.

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/travel...html#post64540

KingC, I think that you may find this useful given your situation.

KingC · #7 05-11-2006, 02:24 AM

i find that very helpful...

I did however put a rush on the docs...I always said if i ever get in that situation again i will give them ample time to respond to the motions..I will never bash the ts docs...IF i didn't have them i would have been screwed..the pd told me he hasn't seen anyone with the tickets i have not do jail time.. or pay fines....(i don't know what to believe though)

speeding 50mph/30 (1:30am streets was completely empty where i live)
fleeing or eluding police officer
disobeying traffic control device
no seatbelt
failure to signal
failure to signal
driving on revoked license..

I purchased marc stevens book and found the info very useful but i said very little to the judge...

The guy who studied the right way law..call him Bill..he told me the motions i filed was so strong that i really won the case before i even showed up...But what i also noticed is even my brother who knows little about law knows how to manuever pretty good with bs'ers..When u do anything out of the normal everyday routine.. They sort of respect you...And set u away from the rest..

He filed his own petition to get the money for his car back the police took....This was mayor daley's personal street check in an all asiatic(don't like the word black) neighbor hood..They found nothing but said his car smelled like weed.. They impounded it and the initial cost for a dui stop is 1,200 dollars in chicago.. plus storage fees..

KingC · #8 05-11-2006, 10:00 AM

Did u know wheni first started my docs i went to blue island to serve the prosecutor which i mistakenly thought was the prosecutor in my case...

walkin around i met two jehovah witnesses...i asked them to sign my docs as witnesses..

they declined....I hit them with all kinds of stuff from the bible they couldn't respond...anyways i still respect their right to believe in whatever they pleased...

Yesterday i court it was so funny while lined up to pass thru the metal detectors one of the jehovah witnesses right standing directly parallel to me... i thought now isn't that a suprise......

charlesa6 · #9 05-11-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KingC

Did u know wheni first started my docs i went to blue island to serve the prosecutor which i mistakenly thought was the prosecutor in my case...

walkin around i met two jehovah witnesses...i asked them to sign my docs as witnesses..

they declined....I hit them with all kinds of stuff from the bible they couldn't respond...anyways i still respect their right to believe in whatever they pleased...

Yesterday i court it was so funny while lined up to pass thru the metal detectors one of the jehovah witnesses right standing directly parallel to me... i thought now isn't that a suprise......

Yep! very strange indeed! Any ho is good to see more Chicagoan @ sui juris forum.
Welcome once more.

Jerseee · #10 05-11-2006, 08:53 PM

Challenge Jurisdiction.

And if you need a signature---get a notary.

Use the tools that they use.