Speeding ticket from scratch

Fight 'em.



You might want to take it a step further, and find the statute for forgery and at the very least write up a criminal complaint against her.





Here is one that applies in NC:



NCGS § 14-101. Obtaining signatures by false pretenses.

If any person, with intent to defraud or cheat another,

shall designedly, by color of any false token or writing, or by

any other false pretense, obtain the signature of any person to

any written instrument, the false making of which would be

punishable as forgery, he shall be punished as a Class H felon.

(1871-2, c. 92; Code, s. 1026; Rev., s. 3433; C.S., s. 4278;

1945, c. 635; 1979, c. 760, s. 5; 1979 2nd Sess., c. 1316, s.

47; 1981, c. 63, s. 1, c. 179, s. 14; 1993, c. 539, s. 1181;

1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)



Wouldn't it be nice to turn the pig into a felon with your criminal complaint? Piss on her if she doesn't know what a signature is. Ice is right. It's Forgery. Go have her prosecuted for acting outside any authority that the state gave her. You have the proof. SHE marked through what you intended to be your signature, and submitted it as valid. Didn't she did so with the intent to defraud and cheat you? Didn't she do it under color of law?



The rule of force comes to mind. "Don't force it. Use a bigger hammer." If she marked through your signature, you should own her.



Now get your hammer out and go to work.





One other thing. I believe I'd go to jail over the red ink issue. Let them try to prosecute that and also, you could own them for the false arrest, losing time at work, stress, mental anguish, Yada Yada yada...





Here's Bovier's on Forgery: "FORGERY, crim. law. Forgery at common law has been held to be "the fraudulent making and alteration of a writing to the prejudice of another man's right."



I believe it's getting clearer all the time.

[Ice]

See, it isn't arguing if you approach it properly. She claims you signed it... you say "prove it". Along with your "prove it" you cite that the "alteration of a signature" is a "forgery". No big deal. You didn't argue.. you just asked for proof of claim.



But, if you go the ticketslayer route, you may put less time into it.



Again, here is an instance that I would slap the hell out of someone for attempting to violate my rights. I'll sign any do***ent the way I want to sign it. My signature is my own... and no man (or woman) can tell me how my signature should be made.



I want them to be on notice that I am to be treated WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT as I am THEIR BOSS.



But, you can all keep doing like ya want. I'm just not going to take any form of abuse... regardless of how small, from these idiots any longer.

[J.W.]

Members:



Someone please demonstrate or prove to this forum and to me that the truth and lending act has anything to do with things beyond household goods and loans.



I have been doing this stuff for a little while now and nobody not even John Henry Doe himself was ever able to demonstrate that TILA applied.



I have done the research and have not found where this stuff is applicable.



It would be my honor to be proven wrong here.



Now with regard to the ticket, if you show up to court to resolve the ticket/citation if the citation states "Appear on or Before ---" you can in some cases put in a petition or motion to dismiss based on the fact that you showed up to the court and your name was not in the computer and you were not able to resolve the citation or schedule an arraignment. Personally, I would not fool around with it but it can be done.



The best ways that I have found to deal with a ticket thus far are:

Motion to dismiss for lack of prosecution or failure to prosecute

Lack of Verified Complaint

Also beating them due to not waiving time



As always however, there is more than one way to skin a cat.



I have traffic court on Wed the 18th and I shall report the outcome accordingly.

[Ice]

Who gives a damn about TILA! Do you or do you not have the RIGHT to sign your name as you wish to sign it?



Let's not classify the law when it comes to Rights.



Do you think anyone has the authority to do as this copper did in regards to the signature? I'm sure you agree that the copper was out of line.



The members here are not all of the same mind that I am. They want to win. I want to punish those that step outside the bounds of the authority that has been granted to them.



So, tell me, what does TILA have to do with anything?



It appears that our Rights are much more important.



Regardless of the ticket, I would be going after that cop.

[TheBlackTruth]

<font color=darkblue face=tahoma>I feel you on that, Ice. Its time to retaliate when we have a good case against them. I think it will serve to educate them as well and maybe change their behavior.



Ice, I invite you any anyone else to view the last post of my thread here. I'm trying to go on the offensive, but I need some guidance (or at least an opinion)[/color]

Cop's a felon, by her own actions, which you hold in your hand.



Go prosecute her.

[TruthHurts]

Now what I have found out about a handwriting and signature is this as pertaining to whether to put ink on an instrument.According to Black's Law the definition of handwriting is thus.

handwriting.1. A person's chirogarphy; the cast or form of writing peculiar to a person,including the size,shape,and "style" of letters,and "whatever gives individuality to one's writing.2. something written by hand; a writing specimen.

This means that which ever way "I" decide to use as my style of writing is my handwriting.Thus the officer marking through JMunsons makes it a forgery.



Now for the definition of signature.

signature.1. A person's name or a mark written by that person or at the person's direction.2.commercial law. a name,mark,or writing used with the intention of authenticating a do***ent.UCC1-201(39),3-401(



nOW when asked about the signature you would commit fraud by saying that it is but rather it was your handwriting any thoughts?

[Ice]

Signature is what authenticates a do***ent... handwriting does not. It is only a "style". My handwriting and Signature are 2 different things. I can write my name (handwriting). But my Signature always includes "All Rights Reserved" before my name.



Which does a ticket request? Does it say "handwriting"?



If the signature is altered by another... it becomes a forgery. This is actually very simple. "That may look like my handwriting... but it isn't my signature."

[TheBlackTruth]

Originally Posted by Jason Whitney

Members:



Someone please demonstrate or prove to this forum and to me that the truth and lending act has anything to do with things beyond household goods and loans.

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I think the issue is the definition of a creditor. TILA's subject matter is creditors and the extension of credit.



Below is from the OCC TILA handbook:

<quote>

The institution is not a “creditor” and Regulation Z does not apply unless at least one of the following tests is met:

1) The institution extends consumer credit regularly and

a) The obligation is initially payable to the institution and

b) The obligation is either payable by written agreement in more than four installments or is subject to a finance charge.

2) The institution is a card issuer that extends closed-end credit that is subject to a finance charge or is payable by written agreement in more than four installments.

3) The institution is not the card issuer, but it imposes a finance charge at the time of honoring a credit card.

(NOTE: All persons, including noncreditors, must comply with the advertising provisions of Regulation Z)

</quote>



I think most states, if not all, meet one or more of these conditions in most cases.



-BT[/color]

[weishaupt1776]

[color=black][b]I have found a reason why we may use the rule of brackets in a ticket situation HERE. Scroll to the 4th thread down. But don't reply to it there. Reply regarding ticket strategies back over here, please.

So if we are forced to sign a speeding ticket(contract), we could
[*]Put brackets around our name.By placing brackets around our name, we are not admitting to it being an official part of the record.[*]Outside of the brackets we put Signed Under Duress/All Rights Reserved.

This way, we are not waiving our 5th Amdmt right not to incriminate or testify against ourselves under coercion.[*]Above our bracketed name, write USGPO Style Manual 8.20. That at least gives the judge a legal context from which he can draw from.