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Old 10-08-2004, 07:31 AM
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that's a good question sir. to answer that, we'll have to examine the motor vehicle code. first, does such code apply only to persons who are driving?



afa the ticketslayer route - this is all unnecessary as the SA has failed to rebutt an affidavit thereby removing jurisdiction leaving the judge with only one course of legal action - dismissal.



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Old 10-08-2004, 02:21 PM
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[color=black][b]True, but I'm having fun with this virtual scenario.How about this question:<BLOCKQUOTE>Q:"For the record, where do you live?"

A:Your Honor, with all respect justly due to this court, I am living right here at this moment.

Q;"Where is your address?"

A:"Your Honor, with all respect justly due to this court, my mailbox is located at 123 F.U. Avenue"

Q:"Where do you reside?"

A:Your Honor, I have no personal knowledge of ever voluntarily having claimed residency or have ever knowingly claimed to be a resident."
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Old 10-08-2004, 02:49 PM
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Heh heh, This is fun......ok let's go....



JudgeKaos: Ok, MR MUNSON, let's do that but first, did you apply for a driver license? Was this the same driver license that you gave the officer when he stopped you for speeding? Are you aware that you agreed to follow all the rules of the road when you aquired this license?



JMunson: says.......



Ok, now for you Weis, let's say the judge sidesteps your answers and proceeds. Then he asks the above questions.



Weis: says.......



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. . .did you apply for a driver license?

[color=black][b]I'm STUCK-----
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Was this the same driver license that you gave the officer when he stopped you for speeding?
[color=black][b]Your honor, I conditionally accept your offer for me to answer that question upon proof of claim that my license has been entered into evidence.

. . . upon proof of claim that while in your present office you are not prohibited from entering my license in as evidence
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Are you aware that you agreed to follow all the rules of the road when you aquired this license?
[color=black][b]Your honor, I I have not seen or been presented with any material fact or evidence that the original driver's license application has been entered into evidence pursuant to the rules of evidence & I believe that none exists.

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Old 10-08-2004, 03:53 PM
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Hi All,



I just put this in "travel cites"... but this is such a good thread... it probably belongs here as well...



Found this in the glossay at www.commonlawvenue.com under 'License'



A permit, granted by an appropriate governmental body, generally for a consideration, to a person, firm, or corporation to pursue some occupation or to carry on some business subject to regulation under the police power. <u>A license is not a contract between the state and the licensee, but is a mere personal permit.</u> Black’s 6th. (emphasis mine)



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<font color=darkblue face=verdana>I know these were intended for Weis, but I thought I'd jump in . ..[/color]

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Did you apply for a driver license?


<font color=darkblue face=verdana>Yes. I applied for the license in case I found myself in a situation where I needed to transport goods for hire on the common rights of way(drive).[/color]

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Was this the same driver license that you gave the officer when he stopped you for speeding?


<font color=darkblue face=verdana>Objection, Your Honor. This quesion assumes facts not yet entered into evidence. Furthermore, any attempt to enter such into evidence will be met with a motion to strike as the alleged license could only have been obtained due to threat coersion and duress.[/color]



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Are you aware that you agreed to follow all the rules of the road when you aquired this license?




<font color=darkblue face=verdana>Yes. Notwithstanding the objection prior, whenever I am driving (i.e. transporting goods for hire on the common rights of way) I must obey the rules as codified in the Vehicle Code.[/color]
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Old 10-09-2004, 07:14 AM
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sir, you haven't answered my question and we cannot move forward until the answer is obtained.



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Old 10-09-2004, 09:26 AM
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did you apply for a driver license?
[color=black][b]I Object, Aggrieved Defendant hasn't seen or been presented with any material fact or evidence that, pursuant to this proceeding, the plaintiff has a civil cause of action on the four corners of the complaint involving a breach of contract and your defendant believes that none exists.



BTY, what type of objection is that? Check out this transcript from one of our heroes, Jason whitney:<BLOCKQUOTE>JW: Your Honor, there are a few items I would like to address before we move forward. 1, I am here today under special appearance to challenge jurisdiction of this court.



2. I would like to note for the record that the name of the Defendant is incorrect, I do not spell my name in all capital letters, my name is spelled upper and lower case. I do however have, a fictitious business entity that I engage in commerce, a DBA that is spelled in all CAPS as JASON WHITNEY.



3. I have a memorandum of law in support of my appearance here today and I would like the bailiff to give you a copy.



(The bailiff comes and takes my memorandum and serves the Judge)



4. Your Honor, I am not here to enter a plea today. I am here to request that a verified complaint be filed pursuant to Penal Code ¥¥ 740, 853.9(b), and Vehicle Code ¥ 40513(b).



JUDGE: Looking over my memorandum... Well all right Mr. Whitney, you have that right.



(Important Note: This is the first time ever that I have had a Judge not state: "Mr. Whitney, the citation is on a form approved by the Judicial Counsel of the state of California and is your complaint." And was a little shocked. Looking over to my left I had noticed that there was not city attorney or prosecutor regarding my case...)



JW: Your Honor, is the plaintiff, attorney for plaintiff or the prosecution here today in respect of this matter?



JUDGE: No there are no appearances on the record



JW: Your honor with that being said, I motion to dismiss this case for lack failure of plaintiff to prosecute this matter.



JUDGE: (With a bit of a snide grin and waiting a minute looking back at my memorandum) Mr. Whitney, I am going to grant your motion, this case is dismissed.



JW: Thank you your Honor, have a great day.



THE END.



HERE IS THE TEXT FOR THE MEMORANDUM:



RESPONDENT'S MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF SPECIAL APPEARANCE TO CHALLENGE JURISCITION AND REQUEST FOR VERIFIED COMPLAINT



TO THE ATTORNEYS FOR PLAINTIFF



1. Respondent Jason Allan Whitney, hereinafter "the Undersigned", Sui Juris, by special visitation [special appearance], who is unschooled in law and asks that the court take Judicial Notice of the enunciation of principles as stated in Haines v. Kerner, 404 U.S. 519, wherein the court has directed that those who are unschooled in law making pleadings and/or complaints shall have the court look to the substance of the pleadings rather than the form, and also hereby makes the attached memorandum, including the related documents attached herewith, in the above-referenced case.



2. The Undersigned hereby files with this Honorable court a Memorandum in support of the Undersigned's rights, and it not to be construed as making a general appearance.



3. Pursuant to well-established law that a party summoned can not appear specially to challenge the Court's jurisdiction.



"A 'special appearance' is made when the defendant appears in court for sole purpose of objecting to lack of jurisdiction over his person without submitting to such jurisdiction." Titus v. Superior Court, 100 Cal.Rptr. 477, 23 C.A.3d 792.



4. The Undersigned has not submitted to the Court's jurisdiction, asked for relief of any kind, or plead to any charge whatsoever.



5. The filing of this Memorandum is established in good faith, for the prosecution, and as notice to this honorable court that that the Undersigned is requesting that the prosecution file a verified complaint as required under the California Penal Code ¥¥ 740, 853.9(b), 949, and Vehicle Code ¥ 40513(b).



Penal Code ¥740. Except as otherwise provided by law, all misdemeanors and infractions must be prosecuted by written complaint under oath subscribed by the complainant. Such complaint may be verified on information and belief. [Emphasis added]



Penal Code ¥853.9(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision (a) of this section, whenever the written notice to appear has been prepared on a form approved by the Judicial Council, an exact and legible duplicate copy of the notice when filed with the magistrate shall constitute a complaint to which the defendant may enter a plea and, if the notice to appear is verified, upon which a warrant may be issued. If the notice to appear is not verified, the defendant may, at the time of arraignment, request that a verified complaint be filed. [Emphasis added]



Penal Code ¥949. The first pleading on the part of the people in the superior court in a felony case is the indictment, information, or the complaint in any case certified to the superior court under Section 859a. The first pleading on the part of the people in a misdemeanor or infraction case is the complaint except as otherwise provided by law. [Emphasis added]



6. If the prosecution is devoid of a verified complaint, the Honorable Court is without a valid charging instrument that the defendant may enter a plea to.



7. The Undersigned notices this honorable court that the Undersigned respectfully declines any offer to be heard by a Judge Pro Tem, which should not be construed as a general appearance.



8. The Undersigned notices this honorable court that the Undersigned respectfully declines any offer to be heard by a Commissioner, which should not be construed as a general appearance.



9. The Undersigned notices this honorable court that the Undersigned is respectfully asserting the Undersigned's rights pursuant to California Constitution Article 6, Section 21, which state:



"On stipulation of the party's litigant the court may order a cause to be tried by a temporary judge who is a member of the State Bar, sworn and empowered to act until final determination of the cause."



10. The Undersigned submits the case of In Re Courtney H. (App. 1 Dist. 1995) 45 Cal.Rptr. 2d 560, 38 Cal.App.4th 1221 the Court stated in part:



"If commissioner is given authority to act as temporary judge, commissioner must also obtain proper stipulation of parties litigant in order to preside over specific proceeding." [Emphasis added]



Dated: August 18, 2004



Respectfully submitted and signed without prejudice by,



Jason Allan Whitney </blockquote>This thread is blowin' up!



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Old 10-10-2004, 12:22 AM
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[color=black][b]My affidavit is now done. I want to file a motion to dismiss for failure to join & lack of impersonam jurisdiction. This is the only info the Florida Rules provides regarding joinders - I have yet to dig in on the annotated:<blockquote>(a) Parties Generally. Every action may be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest, but a personal representative, administrator, guardian, trustee of an express trust, a party with whom or in whose name a contract has been made for the benefit of another, or a party expressly authorized by statute may sue in that person’s own name without joining the party for whose benefit the action is brought. All persons having an interest in the subject of the action and in obtaining the relief demanded may join as plaintiffs and any person may be made a defendant who has or claims an interest adverse to the plaintiff. Any person may at any time be made a party if that person’s presence is necessary or proper to a complete determination of the cause. Persons having a united interest may be joined on the same side as plaintiffs or defendants, and anyone who refuses to join may for such reason be made a defendant.</blockquote>

How can I fit this into a speeding ticket situation?
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<font color=darkblue face=verdana>The dialogue that Jason Whitney had that day in court is very edcuational. In fact, the points raised in that dialogue are included in the LRG Traffic Package (California) that he put together. Mind you, this very same argument FAILED during the initial appearance phase of the trial I detailed on this thread.



Most hearing officers will simply railroad you through the proceedings unless you can somehow break through to them that you know and you will beligerantly seek your remedy.



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