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Old 09-18-2006, 10:32 AM
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LicensedMan Gets a Ticket - Fails to Respond Timely

Hello all,

I have been a longtime lurker and avid reader of the data presented here. A friend has gotten himself in a bit of a pickle though and the question for the forum is can he extract himself from the picklejuicing machine he is bound to meet up with.

Scenario as follows:

LicensedMan gets a ticket - about a year ago now, in Washington state. Fails to pay the $140 fine on time due to moving, living in different locations/states and the general chaos of life. Finally gets a liaryereze letter - several months ago - demanding a total of $712 now (Fine + liaryer fees I presume).

Any remedy at this point or t-o-o-o-o many defaults?

Thanks for any pointers you may have, legal advice not sought.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:45 PM
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Collaterally attack whith an SMJ argument. This is how I deal with old stuff. I would look up the Nature of American Courts (part 1 and 2) threads and the Admiralty thread, and the two biggest toolos for dealing with administrative agencies threads. If I read all those then I have a good understanding of what is to come.
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Old 09-18-2006, 08:58 PM
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Hello all,

I have been a longtime lurker and avid reader of the data presented here. A friend has gotten himself in a bit of a pickle though and the question for the forum is can he extract himself from the picklejuicing machine he is bound to meet up with.

Scenario as follows:

LicensedMan gets a ticket - about a year ago now, in Washington state. Fails to pay the $140 fine on time due to moving, living in different locations/states and the general chaos of life. Finally gets a liaryereze letter - several months ago - demanding a total of $712 now (Fine + liaryer fees I presume).

Any remedy at this point or t-o-o-o-o many defaults?

Thanks for any pointers you may have, legal advice not sought.
In respond to your question: there is no magic bullets to solve this citation, because he already defaulted, and statue of limitation already expire.
My suggestion paid the fine and get over with.
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Old 09-18-2006, 09:13 PM
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Thumbs up Check the statute of limitations

Check the statute of limitations for the state it happened in. They usually run for a year and if no attempt to collect then thay are S.O.L. Also there MUST be an affidavit to support the initial complaint. There never is in a traffic case...and it is required by law.

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Old 09-19-2006, 02:42 AM
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Question everything

The key is how your State Constitution is framed and what inadequacies you can force into submission nunc pro tunc 1787- via the Constitution of the (u)nited States of America.

i.e. Within the 49th state, practically all of our laws contained within “our” Statute Book are enacted improperly and are not laws at all, reference Joiner v State and 17 U.S. 316, 401. Also what is the apportionment from Congress in the issue/case? Is it binding only in District of Columbia and the Territories, the 50 States of the Union United States or both? Remember Congress is very precise when it references the 50 States in any act it presumes to order.

After that it’s a matter of defeating jurisdiction, collaterally if need be. Start with the Subject-matter, are the laws or statutes enacted correctly, are the offenses Statutory or Municipal Code? Is there a copyright on the Statute Book utilized to apply "public Law"? Remember a copyright infers a privete ownership. Research the forum sections and identify who you are or if you are even within the appropriate jurisdiction.

The answers are shared here to be pieced together for your unique situation. Don't rely on past case documents as the full force and effect to defeat an unwarrented jurisdiction, rather know the material and present the document of your drafting under the premise of being in proper person and persona- your words and words of maxims of law.

Most importantly, Be at peace with yourself when you draft your affidavidts and the understanding of the underlying deception will be more clear.

Good luck!

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Old 09-19-2006, 03:36 AM
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Void Judgments.

Look for relief under the theory of void judgments. Any judgment rendered with the jurisdiction of the Subject-matter in the want are to be considered to be void and not just voidable. Also there can be no law for failing to follow fatally defecient laws that you can be prosecuted under- no matter where the status of your jurisdicton lies (14th amendment citizen or not)!

FRCP Rule 60(b)(4) is a good place to start.

16 AmJur Sec 455 ref. Federal Statutes; sec. 456 ref. State Statutes are feasable for those with the proper jurisdictional identity

Again do your research, know your material and present it on the premise that you will not defer- Be the legal and moral superior in your legal [intercorse] with the courts. You can be the master, otherwise why are they called public "servants"?

Good luck and Welcome!!!

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Old 09-19-2006, 07:31 AM
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This a citation; the law that governs the citation is a Municipal ordinance. The void judgement or anything else is not going to work.
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Old 09-20-2006, 03:03 AM
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This a citation; the law that governs the citation is a Municipal ordinance. The void judgement or anything else is not going to work.

Again where does the "municipal ordinance" recieve the apportionment? The State Constitution and the States Statutes enacted therein are its only patron in law beyond U.S.C. Title. If the accused accepted a plea or defalted through non-compliance, the District Court will move in an administrative capacity and will use associated State law to administer the remedy and appease said corpiagent. Pay attention to the case numbers in the upper right corner of your court papers, when do the numbers change from municipal to State origin? You are now within the heritage of the people to transition from private corpiagent law and into public application of common law. IS THERE A COPYRIGHT ON THE STATE STATUTE BOOK? When you defeat the State Statutory law, the Municipal Ordinance MUST FALL WITH IT.

Pay the Fines? Sure if you wanna be a sheep in the flock. Really its up to you.

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Old 09-20-2006, 03:22 AM
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charlesa6, If thats the case, are you telling me that I cannot utilize Supreme Court Precedence to argue against "Municipal Ordinance"? What about Constitutional law? What is your belief of the jurisdictional powers of a dba corpiagent? Do you really believe a corpiagent is not subject to 16 Am Jur Sec. 256? When I get pulled over for no license, a dba corpiagent "security guard" gives me a citation, then how in the land of our lord are these "citations" being defeated in a court of law with out Statutory law to back it? Are there different levels of ordinances within a dba corpiagent that I am not aware of and you are? What is your concept of a declaratory judgment? What is FRCP Rule 60(b)(4)? Discribe how anyone can assign a Statute of limitations to an unlawful act/law under Rule 60(b)(4) remedy actions! And are these Corpiagents "Employees" under oath purgatory for thier job "...Promise to uphold the laws of corpiagent over laws of State and Union so help...".

Please respond
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Old 09-20-2006, 03:43 AM
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16 An Jur 256

I was not ready to do this. I am not done transcribing the text for all. However, it is important that new people do not leave with fear of colored law in thier hearts. Will post what i have now and will finish in day or two.
Pay attention charlesa6.

16 Am Jur § 256 generally- Constitutional law

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, whether federal [ref 29] or state [ref 30] , though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law[ref 31], but is wholly void[ref 32], and ineffective for any purpose[ref. 33], since unconstitutionality dates form the time of its enactment, and not merely form the date of the decision so branding it[ref. 34], an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed[ref. 35]. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted [ref. 36]. No repeal of such enactment is necessary [ref. 37].

Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties [ref. 38], confers no rights [ref. 39], creates no office [ref 40], bestows no power or authority on anyone [ref. 41], affords no protection [ref. 42], and justifies no act performed under it [ref. 43]. A contract that rests on an unconstitutional statute creates no obligation by subsequent legislation [ref. 44].

No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law [ref. 45] and no courts are bound to enforce it [ref. 46]. Persons convicted and fined under a statute subsequently held unconstitutional may recover the fines paid [ref. 47].

A void act cannot be legally inconsistent with a valid one [ref. 48]. And an unconstitutional law cannot operate to supercede any existing valid law [ref. 49]. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superceded thereby [ref. 50]. Since an unconstitutional statute cannot repeal or in any way affect an existing one [ref. 51], if a repealing statute is unconstitutional, the statute it attempts to repeal remains in full force and effect [ref. 52]. And where a clause repealing a prior law is inserted in an act, which act is unconstitutional and void, the provision for the repeal of the prior law will usually fall with it and will not be permitted to operate as repealing such prior law [ref. 53]

The general principles stated above apply to the constitutions as well as to the laws of the several states insofar as they are repugnant to the Constitution and laws of the United States [ref. 54]. Moreover, a construction of a statute which brings it into conflict with a constitution will nullify it as effectively as if it had, in express terms, been in conflict therewith [ref. 55].

29. Under article VI of the United States Constitution, it is not the laws of the United States , but the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance of the Constitution, that bind the judge in every state.
People v Long, I. R. R., 113 misc. 700, 185 N.Y.S. 594, revd. on other grounds 195 app Div. 897, 186 N.Y.S. 589.

30. Atkins v Hertz Drivurself Stations Inc., 261 N.Y. 352, 185 N.E. 408, affd 291 U.S. 641, 78 L. Ed. 1039, 54 S Ct. 437.

31. Chicago I. & L. R. Co. v Hackett, 228 U.S. 559, 57 L Ed. 966, 33 S Ct. 581; United States v Realty Co., 163 U.S. 427, 41 L Ed. 215, 16 S Ct. 1120; Huntington v Worthen, 120 U.S. 97, 30 L Ed. 588, 7 S Ct. 469; Norton v Shelby Country, 118 U.S. 425, 30 L Ed. 178, 6 S Ct. 1121; Ex parte Royall, 117 U.S. 241, 29 L. Ed. 868, 6 S Ct. 734; Hirsch v Block, 50 App. D.C. 56, 267 F 614, 11 ALR 1238, cert den 254 U.S. 640, 65 L Ed. 452, 41 S Ct. 13, Texas Co. v State, 31 Ariz. 485, 254 P 1060, 53 ALR 258; Quong Ham Wah Co. v Industrial Acci. Com., 184Cal. 26, 192P 1021, 12 ALR 1190, writ dism 255 U.S. 445, 65 L Ed.723, 41 S Ct. 373; State ex rel. Nuveen v Greer, 88 Fla. 249, 102 So 739, 37 ALR 1298; Commissioners of Roads and Revenues v Davis, 213 Ga. 792, 102 S.E.2d 180; Grayson-Robinson Stores, Inc. v Oneida, Ltd., 209 Ga. 613, 75 S.E.2d 161, cert den 346 U.S. 823, 98 L Ed. 348, 74 S Ct. 39; State v Garden City, 74 Idaho 513, 265 P2d 328; Security Sav. Bank v Connell, 198 Iowa 564, 200 N.W. 8, 36 ALR 486; Flournoy v First Nat. Bank, 197 La. 1067, 3 So. 2d 244; Re Option of Justice, 269 Mass. 611, 168 N.E. 536, 66 ALR 1477; State ex rel Miller v O’Malley, 342 Mo. 641, 117 S.W.2d 319; Garden of Eden Drainage Dist. V Bartlett Rust Co., 330 Mo 554, 50S.W.2d 627, 84 ALR 1078; Anderson v Lehmkuhl, 119 Ned. 451, 229 N.W. 773; Daly v Beery, 45 N.D. 287, 178N.W. 104; Threadgillv Gross, 26 Okla. 403, 109 P 558; Ex parte Hollman, 79 S.C. 9, 60 S.E. 19; Atkinson v Southern Express Co., 94 S.C. 444, 78 S.E. 516; Henry County v Standard Oil Co., 167 Tenn. 485, 71 S.W.2d 683, 93 ALR 1483; Peay v Nolan, 157 Tenn. 222, 7 S.W.2d 815, 60 ALR 408; State ex rel. University of Utah v Candland, 36 Utah 406, 104 P 285; Miller v State Entomologist, 146 Va. 175, 135 S.E. 813, 67 ALR 197, affd 276 U.S. 272, 72 L Ed. 568, 48 S Ct. 246; Bonnett v Villier, 136 Wis. 193, 116 N.W. 885; Cincinnati, W. & Z. R. Co. v Commissioners of Clinton County, 1 Ohio St 77.

“An unconstitutional law is void and is as no law. An offense created by it is no crime. A conviction under it is not merely erroneous, but it is illegal and void and cannot be legal cause for imprisonment.”
Ex parte Siebold, 100 U.S. 371, 25 L Ed. 717.

“A discriminatory law is, equally with the other laws offensive to the Constitution, no law at all.”
Quong Ham Wah Co. v Industrial Acci. Com., 184Cal. 26, 192 P 1021, 12 ALR 1190, writ dism 255 U.S. 445, 65 L Ed.723, 41 S Ct. 373
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