Signing ticket "Innocent/not guilty"

[Shoonra]

If you bother to look in any edition of Black's Law Dictionary -- which so many people on this forum seem to think came down from Mount Sinai -- you will see that signature means your name. When you're asked to put your signature on the traffic ticket, you are supposed to write out your name (and probably in your normal way).

Any words additional to your name are surplusage and will have no legal significance. Putting down some legal jargon instead of your name will constitute a refusal to sign the ticket, and the result will almost certainly be unfavorable.

[Codee]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

If you bother to look in any edition of Black's Law Dictionary -- which so many people on this forum seem to think came down from Mount Sinai -- you will see that signature means your name. When you're asked to put your signature on the traffic ticket, you are supposed to write out your name (and probably in your normal way).

Any words additional to your name are surplusage and will have no legal significance. Putting down some legal jargon instead of your name will constitute a refusal to sign the ticket, and the result will almost certainly be unfavorable.

Gee Shoonra is there any law that says my "signiture" for "Cody James" cannot appear to "look" like "Not guity." Nope no such law. As a matter of fact if someone can tell me how to make my signiture then it is not my signiture. Maybe you are missing the fact that a judge told me that I could write on the Jurat and my name can "look" however I like.

In the case of a ticket the ticket says "without admitting guilt, I prommise to appear"

I am simply stating that I am not guilty. That right there is an appearance. If I realy wanted to sign my name I would still write "not guilty" above my name thus appearing and answering in one fell swoop. Even put "challenge to subject matter jurisdiction" and that is an appearance." I can't put it simpler then that. I "answered" the complaint. Further I established a not-guilty before the default time, that is why I also think Innocent may be applicable to the situation.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

If you bother to look in any edition of Black's Law Dictionary -- which so many people on this forum seem to think came down from Mount Sinai -- you will see that signature means your name. When you're asked to put your signature on the traffic ticket, you are supposed to write out your name (and probably in your normal way).

Any words additional to your name are surplusage and will have no legal significance. Putting down some legal jargon instead of your name will constitute a refusal to sign the ticket, and the result will almost certainly be unfavorable.

Without Prejudice.
Signature can be a name written down. It could also be a spiral or some swirls or even a little blue smurf stamped on a page.

[Codee]

Originally Posted by fulltitle

Without Prejudice.
Signature can be a name written down. It could also be a spiral or some swirls or even a little blue smurf stamped on a page.

yep, or even a squigly line at the bottom with "not guilty" in the "Box."

[idknow]

Originally Posted by RICKO

Can this tactic be used for a parking ticket and codee can you explain what the judge ment by not obliterating the words.

a few months here SansRecours showed taht traffic citations are |private business records| and as such they are objectionable hear-say.

also, since the officer who gave you the citation[s] also filed the complaint he cannot be a witness; this is also an objectionable point you make.

[Codee]

Are you saying that I cannot provide witness account evidence from myself in a civil suit I initiated? Somewhere something is wrong with that statment.

[Shoonra]

Originally Posted by idknow

a few months here SansRecours showed taht traffic citations are |private business records| and as such they are objectionable hear-say.

They are not hearsay but records made in the normal course of duties and contemporary accounts of events and, as such, are admissible as evidence. But the policeman himself is the witness who testifies.

... also, since the officer who gave you the citation also filed the complaint he cannot be a witness.

That's absurd. Can anyone cite authority for that?

[theghost]

Any words additional to your name are surplusage and will have no legal significance. Putting down some legal jargon instead of your name will constitute a refusal to sign the ticket, and the result will almost certainly be unfavorable.[/quote]
Shoonra, haven't you ever heard of a restrictive endorsement? Are you saying that "Without Prejudice" before the signature has no legal effect? How about "Agent" or "Authorized Representative" or "Non Assumpsit"? Are you serious??

[Shoonra]

Originally Posted by theghost

Shoonra, haven't you ever heard of a restrictive endorsement? Are you saying that "Without Prejudice" before the signature has no legal effect? How about "Agent" or "Authorized Representative" or "Non Assumpsit"? Are you serious??

Courts have held that this stuff, applicable to commercial paper under the UCC, has NO application to traffic tickets. No court decision exists where it did.

[Codee]

Who is talking about commercial paper???