Speeding fine - Question for group

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

Expiate also means "to atone for" and is a religious concept whereby god forgives me for a sin..

Go figure..??

The "ticket" as such is merely a green notice, I didn't sign anything, he just handed it to me and left.

It starts with "It is alleged that.."

I've already done 2 conditional acceptances, a notary stamped letter of dishonour, a notary stamped full acceptance, and also stamped the original notice, plus a letter of negative averment..

I think I have to just send it back "without recourse" at this point..

Bulletproof

Seems like you have done all you can to help them balance their books.

Atonement

At-one-ment

Wherein you were apart now you have become at-one.

This is of your own volition, and not something God does, he already gave you free will; your choice.

[cz3000]

did u already issue a default notice for their failure to provide proof of claim?
ah. . . isee - notary cert of dishonour.

re: ref for cause - it is not necessarily a dishonor.

can be ref. with or without dishonor.


part of the catch is to be able to effectively appear specially via mail; i.e. without going to court to settle the matter.

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

Expiate also means "to atone for" and is a religious concept whereby god forgives me for a sin..

Go figure..??

The "ticket" as such is merely a green notice, I didn't sign anything, he just handed it to me and left.

It starts with "It is alleged that.."

I've already done 2 conditional acceptances, a notary stamped letter of dishonour, a notary stamped full acceptance, and also stamped the original notice, plus a letter of negative averment..

I think I have to just send it back "without recourse" at this point..

Bulletproof

[Shoonra]

I erred in reading expatiate where the letter said expiate. Still an unusual use of the word, though.

IMO, the police dept is not going to be satisfied with something that a regular bank cannot turn into regular money. The only alternative is to show up in court and dispute the ticket.

[gldskr]

The "ticket" as such is merely a green notice, I didn't sign anything, he just handed it to me and left.

It starts with "It is alleged that.."

You know those flyers you get under your wipers in parking lots, this looks like one of those. If the " ticket " makes no demand to do anything an obligation is non existent. It appears that the ticket is worded so as to intice you into being the offeror of $266 whereas they will accept. As you have already stated, the ticket is merely someone's opinion (hearsay) and carries no force of law.

You retain the right to either expiate the notice in full prior to the due date (by the way this keeps moving forward 14 days every time I get one of these letters) or elect to have your submission considered by court. Should you wish to take up the second option please complete the appropriate section of the notice and return it to this Branch prior to the final date for payment. The matter will then be processed for prosecution and a summons issued enabling you to have your submission considered by an independent arbiter.

Your conditional acceptance can't be accepted because there is nothing to accept, no offer has been tendered by them yet. Notice above that they are asking you to offer them the opportunity to prosecute you, whereas they will formally accept by sending you a summons.This will be the first time any demand will have been made that you can respond to. Notice also that they repeatedly refer to "your submission" (offer). Don't make the offer.

Its nothing more than words of art.

gldskr

[Gray]

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

Well, my ticket, and the original conditional acceptance, my full acceptance, and some other stuff, and a letter saying this is not an acceptable method of payment has arrived...This is the 5th time now..

Here's the letter:

Dear Sir,

On behalf of the Commissioner of Police, I acknowledge receipt of your correspondence regarding Expiation Notice No.......

As previously advised, your notice of conditional acceptance can not be accepted, and it is not a valid form of payment.

You retain the right to either expiate the notice in full prior to the due date (by the way this keeps moving forward 14 days every time I get one of these letters) or elect to have your submission considered by court. Should you wish to take up the second option please complete the appropriate section of the notice and return it to this Branch prior to the final date for payment. The matter will then be processed for prosecution and a summons issued enabling you to have your submission considered by an independent arbiter.

To Expiate this notice, please ensure payment of $266 is made on or before the due date on the attached advice slip. I do not intend to correspond with you further in relation to this matter. The due date for payment will not be extended further.

Any suggestions??

Bulletproof

What is a ticket? It's an invitation to go to court.

Why do you think they have a magistrate there 24/7?

In case you decide to accept their offer RIGHT NOW. Does that ever happen? Not likely, and you can bet they count on it. (cha-ching)

Secondly, they are telling you they cannot accept your offer.
Could be as you mention, you feel there is some defect, or they can't take it because it's not necessary as the original debt has been discharged. They also could want you to argue either howcome it's unacceptable or argue the merits of it being a valid form of paper.

You're right about the tennis comment, there is someone on the other side of the net who also knows the rules and considers this a game. You are clearly being tested.

What if you're being offered a novation, the original debt having been discharged.

Stuff you already know from the sounds of it but added just in case, if you are doing honour/dishonour: don't
argue, stay in honour.

[Bulletproof Monk]

Thanks everyone for the comments.

I've decided to put my full acceptance stamp right over the top of the section where it gives you a choice to pay or go to court, and added "without recourse".

Now that section can't be used any more, it's been completely obliterated.

Then in the box that says "total amount paid" I wrote "Discharged via private exemption" and the date.

Bulletproof