Cody's Right To Travel

[Codee]

Originally Posted by idknow

Codee, you have to read that definition in context:
answer this: who is a `natural person' in relation to corporations, trusts, partnerships, etc?

You look up natural person in a dictionary and get back to me on this thread. I use the definitions that are common to me. If I have to use a dictionary that no one can find then that definition sucks.

I have looked up natural person and I believe it is the person naturally created by a baby being born.

My answer to your question would be I AM the natural person in relation to all of those unatural persons you listed.

I am definitly taking the side that a "natural person" is always in a flesh and blood man or woman. I strongly encourage you to show support for another definition.

[mrg]

"Natural person," would, by applied logic, have the same definition in "law," as the term "person" qualified by the term "natural."

Absent a logically constructed definition in "law" of "natural person," in order for the term to have any meaning, there needs to be a definition in "law" of the qualifying modifier "natural," and a lawfully prescribed process, and lawful reason for applying the defined modification to the limitations of the priorly defined term.

Otherwise, in "law," or otherwise, how could the term "natural person" not be either meaningless, or required to be specifically read, definitively, in light of the definiton in law of the term "person" as the paramount term?

'Person' means every natural person, firm, partnership, association, corporation, or trust.

Of what validity, either in "law," or logic, is a definition of a term that uses the term itself in defining that term?

Why does "law" define terms, within "law," if the commonly accepted definition of terms is to be presumed to apply?

Boxes within boxes within boxes.

o

[Codee]

Here is how I look at it MRG that Natural is the way things have to be under the laws of mathematics and other universal laws. The Natural Laws dictate that I must have a person when I am born and it is constantly developed by me through my whole life. This person is nessesary. Well I just wrote this chapter in my book. But The natural person is the person I am entitled to own as a matter of birth right as a live human being with a soul called a man.

[Codee]

Originally Posted by http://www.thefreedictionary.com

Natural Person
(Law) a man, woman, or child, in distinction from a corporation.

Originally Posted by http://www.answers.com/topic/natural-person

Natural Person
A human being, as opposed to artificial or fictitious "persons" such as corporations. See 209 F. 749, 754; 104 N.Y.S. 510, 511. The phrase "natural person" does not include corporate entities, but the phrase "person" without qualification may or may not include artificial persons, depending on the context. Thus, the phrase "no person" in the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause has been held to include natural and artificial persons, see 118 U.S. 394, 396, but the same phrase "no person" in the Fifth Amendment's "privilege against self-incrimination" clause has been held to include only natural persons and not corporations since the privilege is personal and may not be asserted by an artificial person. See 201 U.S. 43. Business premises are protected from unreasonable searches and seizures and corporations do enjoy Fourth Amendment rights. 429 U.S. 338, 353.

Originally Posted by http://www.answers.com/topic/person

per·son (pûr'sən)
n.
A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
The living body of a human: searched the prisoner's person.
Physique and general appearance.
Law. A human or organization with legal rights and duties.

Originally Posted by http://dict.die.net/person/

Person
4. A human being spoken of indefinitely; one; a man; as, any person present.

Originally Posted by
Artificial person, or
Fictitious person (Law), a corporation or body politic; -- this term is used in contrast with natural person, a real human being. See also legal person. Blackstone.

Legal person (Law), an individual or group that is allowed by law to take legal action, as plaintiff or defendent. It may include natural persons as well as fictitious persons (such as corporations).

Natural person (Law), [COLOR="red"

a man[/color], woman, or child, in distinction from a corporation.

In person, by one's self; with bodily presence; not by representative. “The king himself in person is set forth.” Shak.
In the person of, in the place of; acting for. Shak.

Just where I come from. That naural person is mine by birth and it is what will get locked up and it is inside my body!!!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Codee

You look up natural person in a dictionary and get back to me on this thread. I use the deffinitions that are common to me. If I have to use a dictionary that no one can find then that definition sucks.

I have looked up natural person and I believe it is the person naturally created by a baby being born.

My answer to your question would be I AM the natural person in relation to all of those unatural persons you listed.

I am definitly taking the side that a "natural person" is always in a flesh and blood man or woman. I strongly encourage you to show support for another definition.

ok, in the interest that i not be accused of abuse ;)

a natural person in relation to all legislatively created beings is that of Agent.

[ThomPaine]

Codee,

I wasnt busting on you for using natural person as a tenet of an arguement so please dont take it that way. I was actually making a joke that in some states a person is a 'natural person' by definition and in some states a person is a corporate person.

If a state does not say that the definition of person includes the natural person, that is just one more card in your hand against the court or state or judge, etc.

Sorry if I wasnt clear on my explanation.

I have chosen to base my case on TS docs and the georgia code definitions that pertain to criminal traffic offenses after researching and asking questions. The natural person would just be another ace in the hole, but I dont have the use of it in my case..

Thanks to you and everyone else for all the info in this thread and will keep posting on the results with the red light camera case.

Thom

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Codee

Here is how I look at it MRG that Natural is the way things have to be under the laws of mathematics and other universal laws.

The Natural Laws dictate that I must have a person when I am born and it is constantly developed by me through my whole life.

This person is nessesary.

Well I just wrote this chapter in my book.

But The natural person is the person I am entitled to own as a matter of birth right as a live human being with a soul called a man.

So what is a "person?"

How do natural laws "dictate" that you "must have a 'person'?"

What would that natural law be, and where would it be found in order to validate it?

What "law" other than the "laws of Nature and of Nature's God," are there, in absolute reality?

I do not intend to maliciously argue with you, or to discredit your work at all, but how can a term possibly use the very term itself in order to define the term?

If a term is in need of, or otherwise requires definition, is it not, thus, lacking definition, or absent definition, or undefined?

How can something requiring definition be defined by the very same something that not only is itself, but in that very self, is undefined, be employed to define that which in itself is requiring definition due to lack, or absence of?

[mrg]

Originally Posted by idknow

a natural person in relation to all legislatively created beings is that of Agent.

So how do you validate that?

If the term "natural person" is "legislatively created" by inclusion in a legislative act of creation, which seems to be the case, how can it be used with an undisclosed term to relate to anything else "legislatively created?"

And I am not intending disrespect to anyone or trying to discredit anyone, I just want to definitively know.

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by mrg

So what is a "person?"

How do natural laws "dictate" that you "must have a 'person'?"

What would that natural law be, and where would it be found in order to validate it?

What "law" other than the "laws of Nature and of Nature's God," are there, in absolute reality?

I do not intend to maliciously argue with you, or to discredit your work at all, but how can a term possibly use the very term itself in order to define the term?

If a term is in need of, or otherwise requires definition, is it not, thus, lacking definition, or absent definition, or undefined?

How can something requiring definition be defined by the very same something that not only is itself, but in that very self, is undefined, be employed to define that which in itself is requiring definition due to lack, or absence of?

mrg;
I have asked this same question in an earlier thread and it was mostly ignoored.
Though I did not present it as well as you have here.
Maybe this time someone can answer this question.

[charlesa6]

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Click it: mary_croft.pdf