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Old 08-22-2007, 07:39 PM
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Even more insane! Sorry Codee3, this guy just took your crown.
Hope you don't wait for an answer, Codee. Looks like Codee3 has been terminated (again).

Funny (as well as pitiful) how you connected yourself to this thread.
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:40 PM
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Well, someone had to do it.

Get behind me, Prince of Darkness!

And get me beer while you're at it.

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Old 08-22-2007, 07:43 PM
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The thing is all driving IS commercial anyway (apparently) There is no such thing as non commercial driving. Any use of an automobile on the public ways means commerce.
As a farmer you should have memories of driving hogs and cattle to market in the days prior to semi trucks. You would hire a driver to mush them down the public road on the hoof. The driver was paid to drive so he was commercial.

If any happened to wander away it was the duty of the hog-reeve to round them up and make sure they didn't create a nuisance. The hog-reeve was a public officer.
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:49 PM
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I used to have to negotiate my way along the public thoroughfare and the potential interaction with the surrounding neighborhood created commercial conditions. Whether I did the driving or someone else. When I drove the flock over my own lands everything was chill. At least that's how I remember it, but I grow my own, so...
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:45 PM
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Your essay is entitled "Discussions on the Legislative Intent of Amendments of Definitions...". If each of these acts subsequent to the Motor Vehicle Act of 1905 are simply amendments and it has not been repealed, then the legislative intent of that act is still binding today no matter how incongruous the past and present acts may be. Have you found any evidence that an entire act has been repealed and replaced with a new one?

I agree that the commercial connotation has changed over the years and suspect that your conclusion as to why is correct. Keep the masses guessing and confused.

I disagree on one point. You seem to think that the state has acquired title to our vehicles. What is your evidence for this contention? Is it voluntaty or mandatory? If it is mandatory where is their authority for this and wouldn't eminent domain enter the picture?

Since you have been banned I will leave it to one of your brothers to respond.

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Old 08-22-2007, 10:35 PM
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The code was repealed and replaced each time.
Was the code repealed in its entirety or was it done piecemeal? Provisions of an act may be repealed and replaced continuously that only affect specific portions of the act, nevertheless, the intent of the act remains. Repealing and replacing an entire act would be an arduous task and there is only one time that I can conceive that such occurred, upon the implementation of the APA.

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Old 08-22-2007, 11:53 PM
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Your UCC cite does not apply because that refers to bailments. While there are aspects of a bailment in any transfer of personal property that is not what is contemplated. Bailments refer to a pledge or trust, although not an actual trust as no fiduciary relationship exists. If I should pledge my property to the state as a bailee, at some point the state has an obligation to return that property to me. Is this not a voluntary agreement?

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5603. A legal owner may assign his title or interest in or to a vehicle registered under this code to a person other than the owner without the consent of and without affecting the interest of the owner.
I suspect legal owner is the one who holds a security interest and in any case only applies to registered vehicles. Most financing agreements will allow this for unregistered vehicles as well. Are you saying that the bank has assigned their interest in my financed vehicle to the state but retains the proceeds therefrom? Can the bank assign the vehicle only after it is registered?

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5600. (a) No transfer of the title or any interest in or to a vehicle registered under this code shall pass, and any attempted transfer shall not be effective, until the parties thereto have fulfilled either of the following requirements:
(1) The transferor has made proper endorsement and delivery of the certificate of ownership to the transferee as provided in this code and the transferee has delivered to the department or has placed the certificate in the United States mail addressed to the department when and as required under this code with the proper transfer fee, together with the amount required to be paid under Part 1 (commencing with Section 6001), Division 2 of the Revenue and Taxation Code with respect to the use by the transferee of the vehicle, and thereby makes application for a transfer of registration except as otherwise provided in Sections 5905, 5906, 5907, and 5908.
This section only applies to registered vehicles. Is a certificate of ownership defined and how does it differ from a certificate of title? This section simply says that the department will not issue a certificate of title
to you until the transferor endorses his title, you pay a fee and apply for a tranfer of registration. Your signature on his certificate of title is such an application. Where is the state invovled?

Notice the phrase "with respect to use", this goes back to the intent of the act of 1905.

If you go to Black's and look up Certificate of Title it will refer you to Title Insurance. Perhaps this will give you a clue.

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BTW, Codee was banned quite a while ago. He doesn't/can't post here anymore.
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BTW, Codee was banned quite a while ago.

why?

anyone?
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:28 AM
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why?

anyone?

Possibly because she didn't play well with other truth seekers; potty penmenship, abusive sentence construction, argumentative texting, ad hominem. In addition, she acknowledged being a Civil Engineer in a common law country ... ;-)

Although being banned she keeps turning up in various disguises (Dominion, Codee2 and 3, TheTreeofKnowledge) along with a sidekick or two. Spotting her is the Sui Juris equivalent of Finding Waldo except not so difficult.
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