Understanding acceptance

[Notorial dissent]

This is your great proof. This doesn't even qualify as hearsay, bad fiction at the best. The ramblings of a convicted con artist, extortionist, and perjurer, who extorted bribes from his own employees and constituents. Trafficant was making a political speech during a budget debate for a jobs bill and was well known for making off the cuff and extremely ridiculous statements, I suggest you look up the term political rhetoric sometime.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

This is your great proof.

This doesn't even qualify as hearsay, bad fiction at the best.

The ramblings of a convicted con artist, extortionist, and perjurer, who extorted bribes from his own employees and constituents.

Trafficant was making a political speech during a budget debate for a jobs bill and was well known for making off the cuff and extremely ridiculous statements, I suggest you look up the term political rhetoric sometime.

Does your own mudslinging, character assassination, opinion, hearsay, conjecture, obfuscation, apologist propaganda fall under the category of political rhetoric?

Or just common rhetorical artifice?

[theghost]

Originally Posted by mrg

Does your own mudslinging, character assassination, opinion, hearsay, conjecture, obfuscation, apologist propaganda fall under the category of political rhetoric?

Or just common rhetorical artifice?

Good one Mrg!....(double drum beat, cymbol crash!)

[mrg]

Originally Posted by theghost

double drum beat, cymbal crash!

In the "trade," that is called "a bucket of fish." LOL!

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

This is your great proof. This doesn't even qualify as hearsay, bad fiction at the best. The ramblings of a convicted con artist, extortionist, and perjurer, who extorted bribes from his own employees and constituents. Trafficant was making a political speech during a budget debate for a jobs bill and was well known for making off the cuff and extremely ridiculous statements, I suggest you look up the term political rhetoric sometime.

Is that the best you can do? I see you casting aspersions on other posters and THIS is the height of you intellect?

[Notorial dissent]

Originally Posted by mrg

Does your own mudslinging, character assassination, opinion, hearsay, conjecture, obfuscation, apologist propaganda fall under the category of political rhetoric?

Or just common rhetorical artifice?

Ah, mrg, ever ready to venture forth with an opinion even when you have no idea about what you opine.

In the first place, one would have to have character in order to have it assassinated. The subject of discussion, has on multitudinous occasions proven a total lack of character, integrity, morality, and honestly. So, it would be hard to assassinate something that he had already destroyed. Since when is telling the truth mudslinging, except when the truth irritates you? Nothing I said was anything other than what has long been reported, and was in fact confirmed both by a criminal trial, and an impeachment by the House of Representatives, and in fact I only hit the high lights. So anything I said was strictly a reporting of already established fact.

Originally Posted by robhalford88

Is that the best you can do? I see you casting aspersions on other posters and THIS is the height of you intellect?

Strangely, I don’t seem to recall making any remarks at all about anyone, I did ask if you had something other than a non-sequitur comment by someone who was known for making ridiculous and outlandish statements, which you obviously don’t. You provide a nonsensical non-sequitur quote from someone who was well known as a stranger to the truth, and reality in general, and then get upset when I call you on it. Please feel free to quote someone with some credibility, because quite frankly a convicted extortionist and grafter just doesn’t cut it.

[robhalford88]

Are you TRULY that dense? Look at your above post. You start by saying the other poster has no clue, then in your answer to me, you say that you never have done that?
You are either extracting the michael or you are here to disrupt. You could also be a whacko, but I haven't seen evidence of that. So far.

[Stuf]

I apologize in advance for the repost of this reply to those who may have read it previously and replied and for the annoying redundancy it may create.

I have been studying Shrouts Doctrine for a while now and other than the people regurgitating Wikipedia definitions on what the general meaning of certain terms or words are according to that site or definitions in general to which no law has been cited. I have found no real flaws. I know of someone who has tried some acceptance, based on the bond idea and it worked. That person paid off $60,000.00 in his and his Mothers debt but I fear he is drawing directly from his SS account. Now this is fine but a few steps shy of the real goal which is to create a specific account using the bond as the instrument against which set off can be made. I myself have just recently sent in a bill with a 1040-v and Accepted for Value etc., just to get a toe in the water in the off chance it gets bitten off by the government shark.

What I am interested in knowing is has anyone else done this? I hear talk of it and hear of successes in other areas of law and half ass attempts at acceptance but what about acceptance done properly. I believe this to be key to verifying the legitimacy of his claims, all be it a small step to that end.

Also could anyone give me an example of what could be a reasonable negative repercussion to utilizing this process?

I do not inquire of this to start fights just to find out who has had the nerve, I guess besides myself, to try this and give one solid example.

Thank you in advance for any help in this matter.

[charlesa6]

Welcome. To answer your question: It's a fiction of law, you telling them to act on your behalf for settlement and closure of the account. You get have your papers in order to implement this goals.

Also could anyone give me an example of what could be a reasonable negative repercussion to utilizing this process?

None, unless If your papers is not in order.

[fighting_father]

Hi Stuf,
Right to the point, we see a lot of talk about bonds discharging debts and how to and not to do it.

The basic principals are:
1: "person" = Corporation defined by their laws (statutes or Acts)
2: Human = Creditor, Agent for (strawman), POWER of Attorney in Fact, Principal and secured party.

Nothing can be done without a human signature. The signature provides the credit.

Put 2 and 2 together, we go through an Agent that is assigned by the government or has recognition by government to run you through the course of bankrupcy.
How is this possible, you go into the office sign some docs and take a few classes and then POOF the debt is gone, and ontop of it all they try to make it look good and say you have no credit for 7 years.

When in fact we have unlimited credit with our signatures.

When you sign a Visa slip, what is actually happening ?
Does the Visa company have backing for the negotiable instrument you just signed ?

Same with a "promissory note", which the bank holds when a mortgage is involved.

So back to Stuf's post, the procedure is yours, understadning who you are plays a big role in how you act in commerce.
I have tendered payment via BOND, but like most creditors and fidicuaries over the account they tend to ignore it. But I have a letter mentioning the recieved my docs but cannot change the court order.

I was not asking for change of a court order, just to credit the account to stop enforcement action.
So now I have a few contracts in place to turn the tables and I'm invoicing the CORPS. for my time and failure clauses.
They don't like it to much, but tough _ _ _ _ !!!

The correspondence still continues over the past 8 months.. LOL
The try to stop the administrative process and try to send the Sheriff to gain jurisdiction via courts. Yeah well nice try, I do not consent to their terms.

Sorry for the babble, but much talk about BONDS, discharge, promissory notes, but has anyone actually succeeded through these types of avenues.

I can honestly say, YES, if done correctly and you see it through to the end.

PEACE