A Winston Shrout suggestion....

I.S.L.A.M · #1 05-12-2008, 11:17 AM

I was watching a Winston Shrout seminar. (Colorado: Solutions in Commerce Disc 4...i think) In this section he talks about how anyone can "accept for value" any bill. He said that you could simply write accepted for value w/ some other literature and send the bill to the treasury. I was unaware that you could do this without having any paperwork filed i.e ucc-1, chargeback, etc. Is this something that can be done that way?

Shoonra · #2 05-12-2008, 11:21 AM

No, this is a con. It has no legal basis and it doesn't work.

Since this guy was touting this, did he say how much a traffic ticket is worth? A deficiency notice from the IRS? A summons to jury duty?

rentiap · #3 05-12-2008, 11:59 AM

I have to agree with Bernie and Cody here.
This does not work and there is no applicable law.
There is a process that works but what Winston teaches is only half correct. or actually is taught in such a way that will get you in much trouble.

What gives the value to the bill that you have just accepted for value?

Shoonra · #4 05-12-2008, 11:59 AM

Among the instances in which someone tried this "Accepted for Value" stunt and got burned for it are:

Saldana v. State (Tex.App 2002) 109 SW3d 4;
US v. Anderson (6th Cir 2003) 353 F3d 490 cert.den 541 US 1068; and
US v. Lee (11th Cir 2005) 427 F3d 881 cert.den 546 US 1221.

I.S.L.A.M · #5 05-12-2008, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rentiap

I have to agree with Bernie and Cody here.
This does not work and there is no applicable law.
There is a process that works but what Winston teaches is only half correct. or actually is taught in such a way that will get you in much trouble.

What gives the value to the bill that you have just accepted for value?

Are you familiar with the correct method of doing it. If so, can you guide me in the direction of what to study?

soniktemple · #6 07-01-2008, 01:36 PM

Don't you wonder why the original "Cracking the Code" is no longer being published, amended, or updated? Vic Vabjedian and Jordan Maxwell published and promoted it so I sent an email to Jordan to find out what happened. He said that it doesn't work and "...you will go to jail" period.
He said before 9/11 it might have been a good idea but everything has changed.
I would like to find out what Winston Shrout's followers are doing to avoid going to prison. The feds might just be giving them a few years of rope so they can have plenty of things to get them with like they do with people like Wesley Snipes.
Why is it in the hundreds of hours of lectures the Shrout teachings don't show you ONE do***ented example of how they used one of their "Solutions in commerce" and it actually worked i.e. got rid of a bill, mortgage, ticket, debt, loan etc.
Now I'm hearing from the grassroots that they are using the bond to buy cars!!! Now that would be an incredibly amazing thing if it worked without going to prison right?
In fact if they do***ented it step by step, who wouldn't pay a good price for that DVD?
I'm afraid however the Shrouties have their head in the sand without thinking about what they are doing and taking responsibility for their actions. The Shrout teachings teach you enough to get yourself in deep Shrout without a net.
It all sounds good til the feds come raiding your house.
I'm willing to learn but seeing is believing.

deacon · #7 07-01-2008, 01:58 PM

This is the perfect example of why this site is going to hell in a handbasket. Nobody left but the coporate shills and liars.

netwrkranger · #8 07-02-2008, 12:48 PM

I'm several vids into Solutions in Commerce by Winston Shrout...

How much truth are there to his teachings and methods?

Also, if he is a fraud, how come he isn't in jail? Has he been involved in any criminal court proceedings?

The information is very fascinating to say the least.

- netwrkranger

netwrkranger · #9 07-02-2008, 12:54 PM

Alrighty, how come he isn't in jail? Are there any criminal court cases he has been a party of?

Is it possible he has some of it right, but not all of it?

Speak up, BAR ilk! Now is your time to be useful with your "professional" opinions.

- netwrkranger

AdAstra · #10 07-02-2008, 03:09 PM

It's not logical to assume and/or state that because someone is not in jail, that it is definitive evidence that they are acting in accordance with the law. Further, the first law of scientific logic and reasoning is that the burden of proof is upon the presenter of an argument. In other words, it is in***bent upon anyone making a claim to prove that claim. After all, we're talking about money and laws - not religion. Turning money and laws into religion - will only lead to disaster.